14 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Which is precisely why they will continue to be a 100+ loss team...

No it isn't. Having 5 starting pitchers out with TJS is a huge factor. 4 key offensive players being on the IL for an extended period of time will contribute to their losing. Sliding one of the guys actually hitting over to 1B for part of a season won't affect the team long term. 

14 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

So what's the point of just constantly moving around deck chairs on the Titanic?

There's nobody other than Teel/Quero and Braden Montgomery that look close to long-term answers.

That leaves SEVEN open positions.

Generally, when somebody mentions "moving deck chairs on the Titanic", that's a signal to me that the person has given up, and has no more arguments left to pursue. The White Sox are obligated to play the games on their schedule. 

They are a rebuilding team. I don't understand why you believe that a team that starts rebuilding must have every single position covered with budding stars sitting in AAA. The White Sox have 7 infield prospects in the upper levels. 5 outfield prospects in A-ball. 

18 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

You can always pick up guys like Sheets and Gurriel for nothing...

For JD Martinez...he's already made so much money that pickleball won out over $3-4 million a team like the White Sox.

Why do the people who keep screaming about the White Sox playing 30 year old players argue that the solution is signing a 40-year-old player? When's your HBO Comedy special?

16 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Lol.  I'm not in turmoil.

The fanbase...front office and pitching staff is.

Getz won't survive another full season of this complete ineptitude.

He just won't.  Not when almost every single decision he makes is the wrong one.

It was the same with Hahn at the end. Even if you can theoretically defend a process...if the results are just not there, it's sayonara.

It's a rebuild. Teams generally don't "win" during a rebuild. 

And if JR decides to move on from Getz, then so be it. 

14 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

No it isn't. Having 5 starting pitchers out with TJS is a huge factor. 4 key offensive players being on the IL for an extended period of time will contribute to their losing. Sliding one of the guys actually hitting over to 1B for part of a season won't affect the team long term. 

Generally, when somebody mentions "moving deck chairs on the Titanic", that's a signal to me that the person has given up, and has no more arguments left to pursue. The White Sox are obligated to play the games on their schedule. 

They are a rebuilding team. I don't understand why you believe that a team that starts rebuilding must have every single position covered with budding stars sitting in AAA. The White Sox have 7 infield prospects in the upper levels. 5 outfield prospects in A-ball. 

It's always great when your biggest problems turn into your best excuses.  Instead of asking why we are running laps around the baseball in number of major injuries, Getz get to use it to insulate himself from accountability.  Instead of asking ourselves why we are running into icebergs, we are just blaming the sinking for the deaths on board.

3 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

I would really be curious why they don't seem to value Elko at all?

Cuz they are really bad at this?

9 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

Cuz they are really bad at this?

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11 minutes ago, Quin said:

Thanks Obama.

From Merkin's story:

"Pérez exited Friday’s start after three innings and 52 pitches with left elbow inflammation, using cautious tones to describe how he felt after the abrupt ending to his night. Despite Monday’s move, the White Sox are still uncertain as to the long-term prognosis for Pérez.

“We know at least 60 days,” said manager Will Venable of Pérez, who is back in Chicago for further evaluation. “He feels, I think, better than he did after the first day, but still too early to really speculate on what this timeline is going to be. So we'll see here in the next couple of days what we’ve got.”

"Losing Pérez is a tough break for the team both on and off the field. He’s also the eighth White Sox pitcher since just before Spring Training to suffer an arm issue, with Drew Thorpe, Ky Bush, Mason Adams, Prelander Berroa, Juan Carela, and Minor Leaguer Blake Larson undergoing Tommy John surgery and Gus Varland working his way to a return for Charlotte."

9 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

From Merkin's story:

"Pérez exited Friday’s start after three innings and 52 pitches with left elbow inflammation, using cautious tones to describe how he felt after the abrupt ending to his night. Despite Monday’s move, the White Sox are still uncertain as to the long-term prognosis for Pérez.

“We know at least 60 days,” said manager Will Venable of Pérez, who is back in Chicago for further evaluation. “He feels, I think, better than he did after the first day, but still too early to really speculate on what this timeline is going to be. So we'll see here in the next couple of days what we’ve got.”

"Losing Pérez is a tough break for the team both on and off the field. He’s also the eighth White Sox pitcher since just before Spring Training to suffer an arm issue, with Drew Thorpe, Ky Bush, Mason Adams, Prelander Berroa, Juan Carela, and Minor Leaguer Blake Larson undergoing Tommy John surgery and Gus Varland working his way to a return for Charlotte."

6* Tommy John surgery's in the span of a couple of months is crazy.

Looking at the data on TJS, Sox are clearly in the driver's seat for likely leaders in MLB in 2025. But in the longer term, not much of a trend. They pretty much track the league average. Depending on timeframe, the teams with the most are the Mets, Guardians, Padres, Dodgers, Red Sox, Yankees. Not bad company all things considered.  White Sox had 2 last season. Boston had the most with 8.

45 minutes ago, Jake said:

Looking at the data on TJS, Sox are clearly in the driver's seat for likely leaders in MLB in 2025. But in the longer term, not much of a trend. They pretty much track the league average. Depending on timeframe, the teams with the most are the Mets, Guardians, Padres, Dodgers, Red Sox, Yankees. Not bad company all things considered.  White Sox had 2 last season. Boston had the most with 8.

Here's the thing.  We keep getting told about how all of these new guys need time to start showing their changes, and that we should start to be seeing their changes.  Now all of the sudden during this new leadership, we have a huge spike in major surgeries, six so far, maybe 7 depending on what happens with Perez.  It is fair to ask if it is something new that is being done, or taught, that is leading to this mess.  Historically the Sox were on the bottom of these numbers under Don Cooper, and with the change to Katz, we moved to the middle.  Now with Bannister being added to the mix having a year in the system, the guys he has been teaching are getting THE injury and surgery.

Why is that?

2 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

You can always pick up guys like Sheets and Gurriel for nothing...

Surely there wouldn't have been 200 posts roasting Getz for a signing like that.

32 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Here's the thing.  We keep getting told about how all of these new guys need time to start showing their changes, and that we should start to be seeing their changes.  Now all of the sudden during this new leadership, we have a huge spike in major surgeries, six so far, maybe 7 depending on what happens with Perez.  It is fair to ask if it is something new that is being done, or taught, that is leading to this mess.  Historically the Sox were on the bottom of these numbers under Don Cooper, and with the change to Katz, we moved to the middle.  Now with Bannister being added to the mix having a year in the system, the guys he has been teaching are getting THE injury and surgery.

Why is that?

I'm guessing Varland will eventually become #8 for TJS. I saw a tweet from Merkin a few days ago where he was going to try the old "rest and rehab" prescription and hope that it works. 

I'm guessing it won't much like with Rodon, Dunning, Martin et al 

9 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

Here's the thing.  We keep getting told about how all of these new guys need time to start showing their changes, and that we should start to be seeing their changes.  Now all of the sudden during this new leadership, we have a huge spike in major surgeries, six so far, maybe 7 depending on what happens with Perez.  It is fair to ask if it is something new that is being done, or taught, that is leading to this mess.  Historically the Sox were on the bottom of these numbers under Don Cooper, and with the change to Katz, we moved to the middle.  Now with Bannister being added to the mix having a year in the system, the guys he has been teaching are getting THE injury and surgery.

Why is that?

Could be something, could also be as simple as the law of averages finally catching up after having such a great decade.

40 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said:

Could be something, could also be as simple as the law of averages finally catching up after having such a great decade.

This is going on the 5th season now without Don Cooper.

Herm Schneider became the head trainer emeritus in 2019.

 

We can't even say that the "Hahn" regime pitchers were THAT lucky, because you had the likes of Sale (later with Boston), Rodon, Giolito (the last 2-3 years of his Sox career, second TJS last year w/ Boston), Kopech, Dunning, etc., all breaking down due to various injuries.

Dylan Cease was pretty much the only one that emerged intact, knock on wood.  Reynaldo Lopez made it to 2024-25.

 

The real "hey-day" for Schneider and Cooper was actually 2000-2012...which marked the last "legitimately competitive" Sox team in 2012, which turned out to be kind of a "freakish" or anomalous occurrence under Ventura in his first year managing. 

Of course, you also had John Danks going down due to injury in this same timeframe, which is the primary reason JR still refuses to sign pitchers (internally or as FA's) to contracts beyond 3 years.

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9 hours ago, Snopek said:

Surely there wouldn't have been 200 posts roasting Getz for a signing like that.

There's a difference.

CONTENDING teams on a limited budget SHOULD be signing those veterans...there's basically no choice but to hope for some impact there, knowing that 2/3 just might not work out, will eventually fail, as many guys in their early to mid 30's often do.

This is a classic case where the "spare parts" end up being worth more than the sum of the individual pieces if only they can find the right environment to thrive as "complementary" players and aren't called upon to do more than they're capable of.

 

Then you have the White Sox....who should be playing 75-80% youth under ages 27-28 and approximately 20-25% veterans.

Once again, those veterans shouldn't be comprising over one half the starting line-up.

 

And let's be honest, Gurriel is 41 years now, he's on his VERY last legs.   He's not even DeJong or Pham or Robbie Grossman, this is his last team in professional baseball, at least in MLB.

12 minutes ago, Autumn Dreamin said:

Back just in time for the playoff push

9 minutes ago, DoUEvenShift said:

Back just in time for the playoff push

Between this injury and Robert being horrible, Getz isn’t getting anything at the trade deadline.

22 minutes ago, Autumn Dreamin said:

The one dude we got who MIGHT have had some trade value as a flip candidate...

Stay hot Getz

When the White Sox give you a $5 million contract, you will either suck so bad no one will want you, or you will get so hurt no one will want you.

On 4/21/2025 at 9:03 AM, WestEddy said:

It's exactly like that. Have you seen some of the 1B teams are trotting out there? 

Until he put up a .484 OPS and got cut again.

9 minutes ago, fathom said:

Stay hot Getz

Two of the worst offseasons in a row.  Imagine if he was allowed to actually spend real money?  He would blow away Hahn’s Benintendi signing.  Everything this guy touches turns to s%*#.