Colome's Hat Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 (edited) I fear that Colorado switched managers in time and will likely get enough of a new manager bounce to save them from getting the record. Having said that, I believe their overriding numbers are worse than ours last year. Anyone think they might break our record? Edited May 12 by Colome's Hat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bob Sacamano Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 19 minutes ago, Colome's Hat said: I fear that Colorado switched managers in time and will likely get enough of a new manager bounce to save them from getting the record. Having said that, I believe their overriding numbers are worse than ours last year. Anyone think they might break our record? Honestly, if they somehow don't break the record the Sox set last year now (I think they will), it goes to show that the Sox should have pulled the plug on Grifol so much sooner last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colome's Hat Posted May 12 Author Share Posted May 12 7 minutes ago, DirtySox said: This isn't anything to write home about but last year's White Sox team is fascinating in only that they shouldn't have really been anywhere near that record, numbers wise. It was that big losing streak after the All Star break that gave us the record. Grifol truly was the worst manager this franchise has ever had. Tbh, I think this White Sox team can probably get close to 60 games this year. I know the record is similar but we are starting to win series now. 5-6 in May is a decent start. If they can sort of trod a long be consistently average for the rest of the year, it's possible. (THESE AREN'T RINGING ENDORSEMENTS) 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 45 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Honestly, if they somehow don't break the record the Sox set last year now (I think they will), it goes to show that the Sox should have pulled the plug on Grifol so much sooner last year. Heard news on the radio driving and first thing that popped into my head was "boy it sure took the Sox a long time to fire Grifol, even the Rockies don't have that patience". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 16 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: Heard news on the radio driving and first thing that popped into my head was "boy it sure took the Sox a long time to fire Grifol, even the Rockies don't have that patience". Thought the same thing when I first saw the news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 20 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: Heard news on the radio driving and first thing that popped into my head was "boy it sure took the Sox a long time to fire Grifol, even the Rockies don't have that patience". In fairness Bud Black got 7+ years lol. The last three seasons produced 68, 59, and 61 wins. So he definitely got a long leash 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Deep Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 Could the sox get the record again this year? YES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 Rockies are going to win like 35 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colome's Hat Posted May 12 Author Share Posted May 12 33 minutes ago, 2Deep said: Could the sox get the record again this year? YES No. Their predicted win loss record as of now is the same where they ended last year. However there are already signs of progress. Quite frankly that Predicted W-L record is probably undercooked given how toxic that situation got. Talent wise, the team should have won around 60 games last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 Not sure when they happened but the two crazy long losing streaks last year did them in and skews comparative records. I think this team will progress throughout the year and just bad. The fact that both teams can be historically bad in back to back years shows there is something off with baseball. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 1 hour ago, Colome's Hat said: No. Their predicted win loss record as of now is the same where they ended last year. However there are already signs of progress. Quite frankly that Predicted W-L record is probably undercooked given how toxic that situation got. Talent wise, the team should have won around 60 games last year. Also they aren’t going to go like 1-20 over their next 21 games like they did last year at this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 15 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: Also they aren’t going to go like 1-20 over their next 21 games like they did last year at this time. I’m prepared for pretty much anything once Robert walks out the door Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 18 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: I’m prepared for pretty much anything once Robert walks out the door We are depending on a whole lot of guys who have never been through a major league season, or have never been good enough to get starters ABs. Honestly, we have played about as good as we can play so far. The injury excuse card might try to get played, but if you are surprised by injuries to key guys here, I don't know what you have been watching before now that you didn't expect it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 At this point I will be surprised if the Rockies DON’T break the record. They are that bad. The Sox went 10-42 vs the AL Central last year. I’m not sure if the Rockies will win 5 games vs the NL west. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 1 hour ago, Kyyle23 said: I’m prepared for pretty much anything once Robert walks out the door It's the CF spot that worries me. He's useful there and will swipe a base if he gets on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 8 minutes ago, kitekrazy said: It's the CF spot that worries me. He's useful there and will swipe a base if he gets on. Idk all they really need for the time being is someone who can play good defense there and that will be Michael Taylor, pretty much the only reason he was signed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 5 hours ago, Colome's Hat said: This isn't anything to write home about but last year's White Sox team is fascinating in only that they shouldn't have really been anywhere near that record, numbers wise. It was that big losing streak after the All Star break that gave us the record. Grifol truly was the worst manager this franchise has ever had. Tbh, I think this White Sox team can probably get close to 60 games this year. I know the record is similar but we are starting to win series now. 5-6 in May is a decent start. If they can sort of trod a long be consistently average for the rest of the year, it's possible. (THESE AREN'T RINGING ENDORSEMENTS) Huh? Of course you need things to go wrong to be bad, but the Sox lived up to their badness statistically speaking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 (edited) 4 hours ago, Colome's Hat said: No. Their predicted win loss record as of now is the same where they ended last year. However there are already signs of progress. Quite frankly that Predicted W-L record is probably undercooked given how toxic that situation got. Talent wise, the team should have won around 60 games last year. Talent wise? The Sox had negative 6+ WAR as an offense last year. That was 10+ WAR worse than second place lol. Their pitching WAR is propped up by one player who isn't on this year's team. Edited May 12 by Look at Ray Ray Run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Talent wise? The Sox had negative 6+ WAR as an offense last year. That was 10+ WAR worse than second place lol. Their pitching WAR is propped up by one player who isn't on this year's team. Fedde...too. Just like Vaughn and Amaya are cancelling out this year's positive contributions, most notably from Matt Thaiss. Without a bullpen, power, hitting with RISP fundamentals/execution defense or team speed other than Robert and Baldwin...not shocking Sox have only 3 wins all season in 1-2 run games. Edited May 12 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 Issue being they play stiffs with no future instead of guys we want to see. Taylor and Amaya no thanks. Vaughn coming around let's hope it sticks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 Oh yes they can easily Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 13 minutes ago, pcq said: Issue being they play stiffs with no future instead of guys we want to see. Taylor and Amaya no thanks. Vaughn coming around let's hope it sticks. I'm honestly almost ready for more Fletcher Julks DeLoach Colas...at this point. Unfortunately Taylor is the insurance plan for Robert in CF since Fletcher is on the outs and is already stretched at that spot. Taylor did help win them a game the other day...(just like Jankowski did for the Rays.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 4 hours ago, Kyyle23 said: I’m prepared for pretty much anything once Robert walks out the door Eh everyone was saying the bullpen is worse, the starting pitching is worse, the hitting might be a tiny bit better if Robert, Beni, Tauchman Slater , Rojas and a couple rookies play OK. Defense was a wash too. Maybe slightly better . Point is there was a lot of talk preseason that the Sox were worse because we lost Crochet and Fedde. Still a long way to go and anything can happen but it's not like Robert has hit much better than Vaughn. He does more to accumulate WAR in other aspects but he hasn't been carrying the team offensively. We still may have some other surprises in store. Shane Smith ,Meidroth, Quero and more to come . Not too bad considering all the pitching throughout the organization that got injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 1 hour ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Eh everyone was saying the bullpen is worse, the starting pitching is worse, the hitting might be a tiny bit better if Robert, Beni, Tauchman Slater , Rojas and a couple rookies play OK. Defense was a wash too. Maybe slightly better . Point is there was a lot of talk preseason that the Sox were worse because we lost Crochet and Fedde. Still a long way to go and anything can happen but it's not like Robert has hit much better than Vaughn. He does more to accumulate WAR in other aspects but he hasn't been carrying the team offensively. We still may have some other surprises in store. Shane Smith ,Meidroth, Quero and more to come . Not too bad considering all the pitching throughout the organization that got injured. When all is said and done, you're not going ANYWHERE without a star position player...and Jac Caglianone (now the #10 prospect in baseball) was our last/best shot at that, at a time when Vaughn needed to be pushed out anyway. As good as Shane Smith has pitched (Top 10 MLB era), the team's still just 1-7 in his starts due to the offense and bullpen. Very similar to what Crochet and Fedde suffered through last season, rinse and repeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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