Lip Man 1 Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 Part of the Sun-Times story: One week after being demoted to the minors, first basemen Andrew Vaughn and Tim Elko have not yet dominated at the Triple-A level. Vaughn has notched one home run and five RBI, but he’s 4-for-20 and owns a .200/.273/.350 slash line in five games with the Knights. Venable said there’s no timeline for Vaughn in the minors, but he sees the former third overall draft pick in the long-term picture for the Sox. Elko, who had been called up and made his MLB debut May 10, is 4-for-21 with one home run since re-joining Charlotte last week. He hit .161/.188/.452 with three home runs during his short time with the Sox. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 Vaughn is done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 (edited) Vaughn with 3 hits last night, up to .280 BA. and .831 OPS. Of course things change fast when you have a small number of plate appearances, if he has a lousy game today he will be back near the Mendoza line with a lousy OPS, if he has a great game he will be over .300 and an OPS over 1.000. Give him at least another week. Edited June 1 by The Mighty Mite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 Instead of Elko at first base and Vargas at third base the team has Rojas at third base and Vargas at first base. I assumed when Elko was brought up he would be given a decent chance to see what he could produce. That wasn't the case. I remember when he hit a home run in one of the games and then was pinched hit for the nest time up. Perhaps Getz wants to give Rojas a chance after spending $3. 5 million on his contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaroldSouthside Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 24 minutes ago, WBWSF said: Instead of Elko at first base and Vargas at third base the team has Rojas at third base and Vargas at first base. I assumed when Elko was brought up he would be given a decent chance to see what he could produce. That wasn't the case. I remember when he hit a home run in one of the games and then was pinched hit for the nest time up. Perhaps Getz wants to give Rojas a chance after spending $3. 5 million on his contract. Yep, that's what this is all about, justifying Rojas' contract. Which is unjustifiable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 Just now, WBWSF said: Instead of Elko at first base and Vargas at third base the team has Rojas at third base and Vargas at first base. I assumed when Elko was brought up he would be given a decent chance to see what he could produce. That wasn't the case. I remember when he hit a home run in one of the games and then was pinched hit for the nest time up. Perhaps Getz wants to give Rojas a chance after spending $3. 5 million on his contract. Don't think we really expected Elko to be this team's first baseman in 2025 and, aside from a hot month in AAA, he hasn't really done anything to earn that position. He hasn't sustained it in AAA after being sent back. Brooks has pretty much the same hitting stats at Charlotte, is he our first baseman? Heck, Ryan Galanie might be a better option for first base than Elko is. What's the rush on him? They gave him a shot and he was...just ok, bordering on bad. Let's see if he can sustain something in AAA after the cup of coffee. He can hit home runs for sure, always valuable, but can he do anything else? Was his absurdly low BABIP 'bad luck' or indicative of something flawed in his game? If Colson is any good, there's probably no chance Vargas stays at 3rd anyway. Good things are happening if Vargas is genuinely forced off third base by one of the young guys. wouldn't surprise me if Vargas is a better third baseman than Colson is and Colson ends up at 1b, but you have to at least try him on the left side of the infield. And kudos to Vargas for taking up the new position and playing great defense there. Rojas is pretty bad, but you have to think he was signed to be Vinny Capra and not to take over the role that Colson Montgomery squandered with his poor play. I just think the argument of 'Rojas or Elko' is a moot point, who really cares, Elko will get another shot and is under control for a long time; he forced to issue to earn the call-up, now he should do it again. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 Does anyone really care if Vaughn can hit at AAA? He is gone after this season so why would anyone want to have to watch him suck again? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 If there was open bidding for Vaughn I could see him ending up under employed. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 5 hours ago, nrockway said: Don't think we really expected Elko to be this team's first baseman in 2025 and, aside from a hot month in AAA, he hasn't really done anything to earn that position. He hasn't sustained it in AAA after being sent back. Brooks has pretty much the same hitting stats at Charlotte, is he our first baseman? Heck, Ryan Galanie might be a better option for first base than Elko is. What's the rush on him? They gave him a shot and he was...just ok, bordering on bad. Let's see if he can sustain something in AAA after the cup of coffee. He can hit home runs for sure, always valuable, but can he do anything else? Was his absurdly low BABIP 'bad luck' or indicative of something flawed in his game? If Colson is any good, there's probably no chance Vargas stays at 3rd anyway. Good things are happening if Vargas is genuinely forced off third base by one of the young guys. wouldn't surprise me if Vargas is a better third baseman than Colson is and Colson ends up at 1b, but you have to at least try him on the left side of the infield. And kudos to Vargas for taking up the new position and playing great defense there. Rojas is pretty bad, but you have to think he was signed to be Vinny Capra and not to take over the role that Colson Montgomery squandered with his poor play. I just think the argument of 'Rojas or Elko' is a moot point, who really cares, Elko will get another shot and is under control for a long time; he forced to issue to earn the call-up, now he should do it again. Waiting for Colson to be good is like waiting for Gerry to be generou$. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 The Elko thing is a mystery. I get it if they told him they were going to bring him up only for a few weeks. So now they messed with a player giving a small sample size. What kind of message does that send to minor league players? People will come up with all sorts of reasons but this organization still proves they are clueless in handling things. They only fix is new ownership and one that will gut the organization as much as possible but not bring in people who have the potential to be worse. Like........uh no Getz promotions and tell Tony to go take a nap. Hasn't Tony been an advisor before in other organizations and they not improved? Fans now believe in small sample sizes to pronounce failure but also have the meaningless stats on potential players who still don't have it together after a few years. Was Elko a savior? No, but I wonder how many other players lose a chance with 30 at bats? There's even all star players who went through slumps. Clueless. I don't know how a fan can have any faith in the organization at all. They are like the other losing teams that will be constantly rebuilding by getting rid of good players because they wont win with those players. Shouldn't this have worked with the Pirates or Marlins by now? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted June 1 Author Share Posted June 1 16 minutes ago, kitekrazy said: The Elko thing is a mystery. I get it if they told him they were going to bring him up only for a few weeks. So now they messed with a player giving a small sample size. What kind of message does that send to minor league players? People will come up with all sorts of reasons but this organization still proves they are clueless in handling things. They only fix is new ownership and one that will gut the organization as much as possible but not bring in people who have the potential to be worse. Like........uh no Getz promotions and tell Tony to go take a nap. Hasn't Tony been an advisor before in other organizations and they not improved? Fans now believe in small sample sizes to pronounce failure but also have the meaningless stats on potential players who still don't have it together after a few years. Was Elko a savior? No, but I wonder how many other players lose a chance with 30 at bats? There's even all star players who went through slumps. Clueless. I don't know how a fan can have any faith in the organization at all. They are like the other losing teams that will be constantly rebuilding by getting rid of good players because they wont win with those players. Shouldn't this have worked with the Pirates or Marlins by now? TLR was an advisor and worked in the front offices of the Red Sox, Diamondbacks and Angels if I remember correctly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 19 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: TLR was an advisor and worked in the front offices of the Red Sox, Diamondbacks and Angels if I remember correctly. Ran the D Backs into the ground. Helped Dombrowski get fired in Boston, and the Angels are the Angels. Maybe just maybe he isn’t the baseball genius JR thinks he is. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 3 hours ago, Dick Allen said: Ran the D Backs into the ground. Helped Dombrowski get fired in Boston, and the Angels are the Angels. Maybe just maybe he isn’t the baseball genius JR thinks he is. Has any manager in the past 40 years benefitted from steroids more than TLR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 5 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Does anyone really care if Vaughn can hit at AAA? He is gone after this season so why would anyone want to have to watch him suck again? I have a feeling we’ll see Vaughn back up at some point whether he hits in AAA or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 5 hours ago, pcq said: Waiting for Colson to be good is like waiting for Gerry to be generou$. The guy might be good, he might not be, but they seem to have made some contingency plans. I hope he’s good. He seems like a nice guy with good tools that tend to project well. Possibly Keith Law is right about him and how his back got broked out and he’s done-zo. That seems like the logical perspective, but did anyone consider he has an 80 grade spirit? I think if the Sox, say, pursued Adames or Bregman during the offseason, we’d, one, probably like the fact that the Sox are spending on free agents, but two, wondering about why they are blocking top prospects by signing these guys. Might prefer to sign someone like Rojas to “keep the spot warm” when your ostensible best prospect is a “short stop” who is realistically a 3B. I suspect we won’t be thinking about Josh Rojas a year from now. I’ll be thinking about him because he seems like a cool dude who was happy to be “mic’d up”, but maybe not so good at baseball. I’ll wait a certain amount of time for Colson (longer than a year anyway), but might as well have some faith in these minor leaguers. Colson is persona non grata around the league these days, time for his rejuvenation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 1 hour ago, Tnetennba said: Has any manager in the past 40 years benefitted from steroids more than TLR? That feels like a wild thing to say. Hilarious, unexpected, but wild. I love it but also…Dusty Baker, right? Was Sosa on those cubs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 38 minutes ago, nrockway said: That feels like a wild thing to say. Hilarious, unexpected, but wild. I love it but also…Dusty Baker, right? Was Sosa on those cubs? Well, the Cubs didn’t win any WS with a roided up Sosa. TLR won three total WS — one with the Bash Brothers and two with Pujols. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimpton Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 14 hours ago, nrockway said: Don't think we really expected Elko to be this team's first baseman in 2025 and, aside from a hot month in AAA, he hasn't really done anything to earn that position. He hasn't sustained it in AAA after being sent back. Brooks has pretty much the same hitting stats at Charlotte, is he our first baseman? Heck, Ryan Galanie might be a better option for first base than Elko is. What's the rush on him? They gave him a shot and he was...just ok, bordering on bad. Let's see if he can sustain something in AAA after the cup of coffee. He can hit home runs for sure, always valuable, but can he do anything else? Was his absurdly low BABIP 'bad luck' or indicative of something flawed in his game? If Colson is any good, there's probably no chance Vargas stays at 3rd anyway. Good things are happening if Vargas is genuinely forced off third base by one of the young guys. wouldn't surprise me if Vargas is a better third baseman than Colson is and Colson ends up at 1b, but you have to at least try him on the left side of the infield. And kudos to Vargas for taking up the new position and playing great defense there. Rojas is pretty bad, but you have to think he was signed to be Vinny Capra and not to take over the role that Colson Montgomery squandered with his poor play. I just think the argument of 'Rojas or Elko' is a moot point, who really cares, Elko will get another shot and is under control for a long time; he forced to issue to earn the call-up, now he should do it again. Like much of the White Sox offense. And as for 'giving him a shot' one week is hardly a decent shot at things. Admittedly his form at Charlotte since returning hasn't been good but again that is a small sample. If they had given him a month and he was still producing those numbers at MLB level then fair enough, but if all they were going to do is give him a week they might as well have left him at AAA until later in the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 4 hours ago, Chimpton said: Like much of the White Sox offense. And as for 'giving him a shot' one week is hardly a decent shot at things. Admittedly his form at Charlotte since returning hasn't been good but again that is a small sample. If they had given him a month and he was still producing those numbers at MLB level then fair enough, but if all they were going to do is give him a week they might as well have left him at AAA until later in the season. Ryne Sandberg was hitless in his first 41 at bats in his official rookie year with the Cubs. He was 1 for 6 the year before in a September call up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 3 hours ago, The Mighty Mite said: Ryne Sandberg was hitless in his first 41 at bats in his official rookie year with the Cubs. He was 1 for 6 the year before in a September call up. Obviously Elko doesn't fit into the plans of the White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Deep Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 I think we just need to give up the Elko thing as clearly the White Sox don't see him in their plans. He will wind up somewhere and hit 25-30 homers and strike out a ton (i would be ok with that on this team). Maybe there is a bigger plan with Teel moving to 1st that we don't see. I don't know, I just know i trust nothing with this organization. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 Omg you guys just found out about Elko in the last three months, and now he is indespensible and everything they needed but clearly they have tossed him to the curb never to return holy s%*# he was sent down 10 DAYS AGO 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 We should win more so things like this don't get so much O2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoUEvenShift Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 4 hours ago, 2Deep said: Maybe there is a bigger plan with Teel moving to 1st that we don't see. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 47 minutes ago, DoUEvenShift said: Are we intent on turning more valuable defenders into 1B or what! That's dedication. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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