Is “The 78” Dead? Or even more alive? Fire announce plans for SSS

[southsider2k5]

4 minutes ago, Quin said:

You can still easily get to Jets/Giants games via public transit from NYC. Takes me just as long to get to Yankees Stadium or Citi Field.

Unless everyone thinks Indiana is gonna dump an astounding amount of capital into public transit, that's not gonna be the case for the Bears. 

They do have a train line that goes right through Hammond.

[Quin]

12 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

They do have a train line that goes right through Hammond.

As the local I'll ask you: would any location be within very, very close walking distance of said train?

[southsider2k5]

26 minutes ago, Quin said:

As the local I'll ask you: would any location be within very, very close walking distance of said train?

I have no idea where EXACTLY they are looking as of now.  I will also mention that they are testing as we speak a southern Spur to the same line, depending on where they are looking.  I will say if it is north, walking distance probably isn't further than you walk from a metra at 18th for current Soldier Field.

[WestEddy]

2 hours ago, mac9001 said:

Burke's command absolutely is the problem. The issue with most pitch metrics when used without proper content is they leads you down the wrong lesson path. Burke raw stuff is solid, but he commands it so poorly, mainly by wasting a lot of non competitive pitches far out of the zone that he overcompensates by throwing strikes. His zone % is actually quite high (he throws a lot of strikes). Pair his inconsistent fastball velocity with poor command and you get into a situation where you throw a lot of avg fastballs down the middle of the plate to prevent a walk. He's throwing a lot of strikes but usually with fastballs behind in the count, which had a tendency to get hit hard. 

He's had individual games where his fastball sits at 97 and his swing strike rates on the curveball is absolutely elite. There's a lot to work with there, but poor command like this usually ends with a guy finding his way into the pen. 

wrong thread

[JoeC]

53 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

wrong thread

This is Soxtalk.

Is there such a thing?

[mac9001]

53 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

wrong thread

Haha, had two windows open and must have replied in the wrong one.

[WBWSF]

From what I've seen most people in KC and Missouri aren't too happy about the Chiefs moving out of state. Even the Missouri politicians  aren't happy about it.  The more I've thought about it the more  I find it amazing that Illinois hasn't approved the Bears  Arlington Heights site. It would be a great thing for the  area. If something doesn't change and Indiana offers the Bears a tremendous deal the  Bears are going to move out of state, The states of Kansas and Indiana view a NFL franchise as an asset. Even tho the  money is putting more money into the NFL billionaire  owners pockets Kansas and Indiana think its worth it in the long run.

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[WestEddy]

3 hours ago, WBWSF said:

From what I've seen most people in KC and Missouri aren't too happy about the Chiefs moving out of state. Even the Missouri politicians  aren't happy about it.  The more I've thought about it the more  I find it amazing that Illinois hasn't approved the Bears  Arlington Heights site. It would be a great thing for the  area. If something doesn't change and Indiana offers the Bears a tremendous deal the  Bears are going to move out of state, The states of Kansas and Indiana view a NFL franchise as an asset. Even tho the  money is putting more money into the NFL billionaire  owners pockets Kansas and Indiana think its worth it in the long run.

 

Well, Gary/Hammond could get, what, 10-11 surges in dining and hotel stays, and then have to service the stadium for the whole year? I suppose it becomes an entertainment district if they do concerts, college football, etc. And Chicago still keeps the "civic pride" of "having" an NFL team. 

[Lip Man 1]

4 hours ago, WBWSF said:

From what I've seen most people in KC and Missouri aren't too happy about the Chiefs moving out of state. Even the Missouri politicians  aren't happy about it.  The more I've thought about it the more  I find it amazing that Illinois hasn't approved the Bears  Arlington Heights site. It would be a great thing for the  area. If something doesn't change and Indiana offers the Bears a tremendous deal the  Bears are going to move out of state, The states of Kansas and Indiana view a NFL franchise as an asset. Even tho the  money is putting more money into the NFL billionaire  owners pockets Kansas and Indiana think its worth it in the long run.

 

Just my opinion but I can easily see why politicians have told the Bears to basically screw themselves. The outstanding debt that is still owed on the first renovation of Soldier Field is a big issue and they have said so, along with having to try to subsidize a very wealthy McCaskey family isn't sitting well with voters given the economic situation around the nation amidst all the political chaos.  

Remember politicians are more about getting reelected than helping the Bears.

Personally like with the Giants and Jets, to me it's simply not that big of a deal if they play outside of Chicago, they are still the Chicago Bears. It's just a name we're talking about after all.  

[WBWSF]

The people in Kansas are doing handstands over the Chiefs moving there.They seem to think the tax revenue (sales tax) and other  money  makes the deal wortwhile.

[The Mighty Mite]

If the Bears do wind up in NW Indiana then the Cardinals should move back to Chicago and either play in Soldier Field or Arlington  Heights, the Cardinals were Chicago’s first pro football team.

[Quin]

50 minutes ago, WBWSF said:

The people in Kansas are doing handstands over the Chiefs moving there.They seem to think the tax revenue (sales tax) and other  money  makes the deal wortwhile.

Yeah, the KCMO voters won that deal.

Sales tax goes to pay for a $3 billion stadium ($1b from Chiefs), $300 million facility and $1 billion entertainment district.

Chiefs pay $7m rent. They'll pay it off in ~470ish years.

[Lip Man 1]

1 hour ago, WBWSF said:

The people in Kansas are doing handstands over the Chiefs moving there.They seem to think the tax revenue (sales tax) and other  money  makes the deal wortwhile.

As has consistently been shown in economic studies it is basically a myth that over the long haul building new stadiums with tax payer money for very wealthy families winds up producing substancial economic growth.

The biggest hang up is all the money still owed on the Soldier Field renovation. Like Pritzker said that needs to be figured out first.

The ball is in your court McCaskey's. Write the state a check, pay that off and I'm guessing the politicians would be more willing to talk with you. 

[WBWSF]

17 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

As has consistently been shown in economic studies it is basically a myth that over the long haul building new stadiums with tax payer money for very wealthy families winds up producing substancial economic growth.

The biggest hang up is all the money still owed on the Soldier Field renovation. Like Pritzker said that needs to be figured out first.

The ball is in your court McCaskey's. Write the state a check, pay that off and I'm guessing the politicians would be more willing to talk with you. 

Economic studies might show stadiums are a myth in regards to economic growth but there are enough states and cities willing to build those new stadiums to attract teams. I think the Bears moving to Indiana  would be a great PR move for Indiana.

[Quin]

44 minutes ago, WBWSF said:

Economic studies might show stadiums are a myth in regards to economic growth but there are enough states and cities willing to build those new stadiums to attract teams. I think the Bears moving to Indiana  would be a great PR move for Indiana.

[Lip Man 1]

43 minutes ago, WBWSF said:

Economic studies might show stadiums are a myth in regards to economic growth but there are enough states and cities willing to build those new stadiums to attract teams. I think the Bears moving to Indiana  would be a great PR move for Indiana.

Great! That and five bucks will get you a cup of coffee at a Starbucks.

Who cares?

They'll still be the Chicago Bears.

 

[southsider2k5]

3 hours ago, Quin said:

This is the most real one yet.

[WestEddy]

6 hours ago, WBWSF said:

Economic studies might show stadiums are a myth in regards to economic growth but there are enough states and cities willing to build those new stadiums to attract teams. I think the Bears moving to Indiana  would be a great PR move for Indiana.

If they won the Super Bowl, something tells me they're still having the parade in Chicago. 

[77 Hitmen]

21 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:

As has consistently been shown in economic studies it is basically a myth that over the long haul building new stadiums with tax payer money for very wealthy families winds up producing substancial economic growth.

The biggest hang up is all the money still owed on the Soldier Field renovation. Like Pritzker said that needs to be figured out first.

The ball is in your court McCaskey's. Write the state a check, pay that off and I'm guessing the politicians would be more willing to talk with you. 

Yeah, it's a sizable amount remaining to be paid for the SF renovations, too - something like $500M.  In contrast, there's "only" about $50M still owed on Rate Field, which is about the amount spent on a relief pitcher.   

I know the McCaskeys don't own Soldier Field, but they're the ones who have benefited from the 2002 renovations and they'll see the valuation of their franchise skyrocket if a stadium complex is built in Arlington Heights.  While I can certainly see the Bears ending up in NW Indiana and taking whatever money the IN state govt throws at them, a stadium complex at Arlington Park would be much more valuable to the McCaskeys than any location they'd end up with in NWI.  No offense to my fellow Sox fans in NWI, but that Arlington Park location is golden.

My guess is that if they worked out a plan for the Bears to pay off that Soldier Field debt, they'd get that infrastructure/property tax deal done with the state fairly quickly. 

[Dick Allen]

There is always incentive for the state to kick in some infrastructure because the state does benefit financially from having the teams here, just by state payroll taxes, and they do tax visiting teams.

[77 Hitmen]

This is an interesting look at the MLB, NFL, NBA, and NHL teams that Missouri has lost over the last 75 years.  I can't think of another state that comes close.  Maybe New York with the Giants (baseball), Dodgers, Rochester Royals (NBA), and Giants/Jets (NFL), with the last two teams, like the Chiefs, staying in the metro area.   But the state of NY still has 7 teams from those 4 sports leagues.  

[southsider2k5]

33 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said:

Yeah, it's a sizable amount remaining to be paid for the SF renovations, too - something like $500M.  In contrast, there's "only" about $50M still owed on Rate Field, which is about the amount spent on a relief pitcher.   

I know the McCaskeys don't own Soldier Field, but they're the ones who have benefited from the 2002 renovations and they'll see the valuation of their franchise skyrocket if a stadium complex is built in Arlington Heights.  While I can certainly see the Bears ending up in NW Indiana and taking whatever money the IN state govt throws at them, a stadium complex at Arlington Park would be much more valuable to the McCaskeys than any location they'd end up with in NWI.  No offense to my fellow Sox fans in NWI, but that Arlington Park location is golden.

My guess is that if they worked out a plan for the Bears to pay off that Soldier Field debt, they'd get that infrastructure/property tax deal done with the state fairly quickly. 

I am pretty sure that by the time the Sox would open a new stadium when the lease is up, their money owed will be paid off.  That isn't a problem for Jerry and Co.

[Lukakke Appling]

35 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said:

This is an interesting look at the MLB, NFL, NBA, and NHL teams that Missouri has lost over the last 75 years.  I can't think of another state that comes close.  Maybe New York with the Giants (baseball), Dodgers, Rochester Royals (NBA), and Giants/Jets (NFL), with the last two teams, like the Chiefs, staying in the metro area.   But the state of NY still has 7 teams from those 4 sports leagues.  

If you forgot the Sabres nobody could blame you. 

[77 Hitmen]

8 minutes ago, Lukakke Appling said:

If you forgot the Sabres nobody could blame you. 

I assume you mean the Buffalo Braves, not the Sabres, but good catch!  I had to look them up.....they're the LA Clippers now.

[Lukakke Appling]

5 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said:

I assume you mean the Buffalo Braves, not the Sabres, but good catch!  I had to look them up.....they're the LA Clippers now.

Haha not a good catch at all. I’ve never heard of the Buffalo Braves. I was saying NY state has 8 teams, and I assumed it was the Sabres you had forgotten. Or it’s possible one of the 8 doesn’t play in NY anymore. I’ve got: Mets, Yankees, Bills, Knicks, Nets, Rangers, Islanders, Sabres.