8 hours ago, Texsox said:

E Sports are fun to compete in and watch.

In live action sports we already want to eliminate human officiating mistakes and replace them with technology. We want managers to stop with the "human gut decisions and hunches" and use computer based decisions. Isn't replacing players the logical next step?

By the time we get to replacing human players it will be by fan demand and the young fans will be laughing and mocking the generation that wants to keep things the same.

Don’t see it George.

2 hours ago, Texsox said:

Throwing a little gas on the fire.

JR Two teams and seven championships as an owner.

Ishbia Brothers, five teams, four as owners or part owners, one championship as an amateur player at Michigan.

You have the wrong college. They are both Spartans, which makes me like them even more. Fùck Michigan.

3 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Well Jerry Reinsdorf is a billionaire and you do ass kiss him so...

And yes.

3 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

Yet here you are praising Jerry, when this is exactly how he got rich. Hell, he got other people to put up 80% of the purchase of the Chicago White Sox, and had other people build him, not one, but two baseball stadiums in the 1980s. The same guy who was absolutely ready to abandon Chicago for St Pete if he didn't get a stadium build for him by taxpayer funds.

Jerry Reinsdorf has been wanting to move the Sox out of their historic home since Justin Ishbia was in grade school. And when he was told in 1988 that he would only get a taxpayer funded stadium if it was built at the current location, he saw to it that the stadium was separated from the Bridgeport neighborhood with a sea of parking lots because he wanted fans to do all their spending inside the stadium, where he'd reap all the profits, and not in the surrounding area. Now that we're nearing the end of the stadium's lease, he's been very public in his desire to move the team away from the current location to the 78. None of this is opinion, it's reality.

Would the Sox be better off moving to the South Loop? Well, BOTH Jerry Reinsdorf and apparently Justin Ishbia think so. The difference is that the former wants taxpayers to pay for a new stadium. Sell the team to someone else other than Ishbia when Jerry passes and I'd be willing to bet they'd come to the same conclusion. It doesn't matter how many turds a single poster keeps dumping on the idea, that's been the (very successful) MLB stadium trend for the last 30 years - build a ballpark that has or will have a lot of night life around it. The "surround the stadium with acres of surface lots because all fans want to drive to the game" business model doesn't work anymore.

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12 hours ago, hi8is said:

Don’t see it George.

This generation is growing up with their view of the world from screens. They are experiencing life on line and mostly virtually. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. Humans are making free choices based on the technology of the day. They will want to continue and expand those experiences. Millennials will be the Boomers wanting things the way they were and being accused of being old and feeble minded. That's history repeating itself like always.

Our in person experiences are being augmented by virtual enhancements like predictive markets. Why leave the house to experience the game from your screen?

Why have a human player, perhaps based on their participation in the predictive markets, missing a shot when we can have an unbiased athlete playing on your screens?

Just like a good lumberjacks or rodeo still has fans, there will be opportunities for old fashioned games being played by enthusiasts. But I really see virtual leagues being mainstream over the next 25 to 50 years. Which use to be the longevity of a stadium.

21 hours ago, Texsox said:

Isn't replacing players the logical next step?

No.

Yea physical sports aren’t going away in our lifetimes. Not sure why we are even discussing that in a thread about building stadiums

3 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

Yea physical sports aren’t going away in our lifetimes. Not sure why we are even discussing that in a thread about building stadiums

Yeah that was pretty wild haha

1 minute ago, Kyyle23 said:

Yea physical sports aren’t going away in our lifetimes. Not sure why we are even discussing that in a thread about building stadiums

The pace of change is faster now than at anytime in human history. What can happen in a lifetime for someone born in 2010 is vastly different than what happened for someone born in 1950. We are only a decade or two away from only the very old remembering life without cell phones. A few years after that only the very old will remember not having instant Internet 24/7.

If we learn anything from Boomers is they cling to their past and think everyone should want that.

Then let's keep it to the stadium.

To future build this stadium I think fewer seats and a large, year round, casino makes sense. If a community really wanted to attract a team give the team a cut of year round gambling revenue in addition to the tax breaks. We also need to predict how to collect revenue from in seat predictive market transactions. Obviously gaming is experiencing a huge boom and a new stadium needs to take advantage of that.

Human umpiring will be gone in this stadium's lifetime. If we can have self driving cars we can call fair or foul, safe or out, with technology. Perhaps one human sitting in a on site booth just to make old people happy will be necessary for a little while.

Managers will need better access to technology to share strategy. Perhaps a control room of some sort needs to be considered. But the manager will be more of an entertainer and motivator with all the strategy dictated by statistical analysis.

If we are going to stick with humans playing I'd like to see a larger dug out with players platooning like football.

Once there is a clear model of how the stadium will generate the most revenue a stadium location will become really clear.

1 hour ago, Texsox said:

The pace of change is faster now than at anytime in human history. What can happen in a lifetime for someone born in 2010 is vastly different than what happened for someone born in 1950. We are only a decade or two away from only the very old remembering life without cell phones. A few years after that only the very old will remember not having instant Internet 24/7.

If we learn anything from Boomers is they cling to their past and think everyone should want that.

Touch grass

18 minutes ago, Green Line said:

Touch grass

Glad you mentioned that. Remember we are talking about watching other people touch grass. Did it bother you when football went from grass to artificial turf? Do you dislike baseball on the few stadiums that play on artificial turf?

I'm currently camping near Leadville, Colorado relying on solar energy and a water tank. Lots of hiking. Heading up to Northern Ontario for the great provincial parks along Lake Superior. Fifteen years ago there was zero cell coverage here. Now I have four bars of 5G coverage. If I invested in a Starlink system I'd have high speed streaming just like home. Grass? Sure. But there are folks running generators and watching television at night all around me.

I'm a golf coach during the school year. When I was competing in high school we used 150 yard trees and pacing off yardages. Now we use simulators, launch monitors, range finders, slope charts, green charts, and video while also practicing at a Top Golf facility. Ben Hogan may have been able to "dig it out if the dirt" but today is all about the tech. Also, notice the stadium golf events. Cool stuff.

Space X just took over 700 acres of wildlife refuge (grass) to enable them to launch more satellites to expand our virtual world capabilities. The future is not in grass.

11 minutes ago, Texsox said:

Glad you mentioned that.

I'm currently camping near Leadville, Colorado relying on solar energy and a water tank. Lots of hiking. Heading up to Northern Ontario for the great provincial parks along Lake Superior. Fifteen years ago there was zero cell coverage here. Now I have four bars of 5G coverage. If I invested in a Starlink system I'd have high speed streaming just like home. Grass? Sure. But there are folks running generators and watching television at night all around me.

I'm a golf coach during the school year. We use simulators, launch monitors, and video while also practicing at a Top Golf facility. Ben Hogan may have been able to "dig it out if the dirt" but today is all about the tech. Also, notice the stadium golf events. Cool stuff.

Maybe you should come out of the wilderness then because you've clearly lost touch with reality.

You sound more like a self hating "boomer" than anything. Young people aren't experiencing life online, and if you saw the tons of new young fans at Sox park this year you would understand that they're not clamoring to replace human players with online streaming. I know this is probably just a bad troll job, just like when you continuously said you hoped the Sox move out of Chicago for Nashville.

Places the blame:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears-stadium/2026/06/05/chicago-bears-stadium-illinois-indiana-arlington-heights-hammond-blame

Hammond Bears it is

Should be interesting to see the ripple effect in this moment. Gonna be a lot of emotional fans pulling their season tickets, wonder if the Bears will care or just know that someone else will buy those tickets

42 minutes ago, Green Line said:

Maybe you should come out of the wilderness then because you've clearly lost touch with reality.

You sound more like a self hating "boomer" than anything. Young people aren't experiencing life online, and if you saw the tons of new young fans at Sox park this year you would understand that they're not clamoring to replace human players with online streaming. I know this is probably just a bad troll job, just like when you continuously said you hoped the Sox move out of Chicago for Nashville.

I teach high school and talk to hundreds of students. I coach high school sports and continually read how nationally participation numbers are declining across most sports. I'm looking at the stats and predicting a future. I'm not clamoring for the future I'm predicting.

I was tired of JR's bull s%*# threats to move.

What do you see as the future of sports? Would you have predicted ten years ago that teams would be embracing gambling? Umpires not calling balls and strikes? A gifted runner on 2nd to start an extra inning?

Would you have predicted the Indiana Bears?

Would you have predicted states passing laws banning kids from using cell phones, vr glasses, tablets, watches, etc in school? The screen is the thing.

21 minutes ago, DoUEvenShift said:

Hammond Bears it is

I know what the Schefter tweet and this statement says but I don’t think it is over yet. Still seems like posturing to me.

Kevin Warren is useless.

2 minutes ago, The Beast said:

I know what the Schefter tweet and this statement says but I don’t think it is over yet. Still seems like posturing to me.

Kevin Warren is useless.

I agree. The team really controls the time line and I guess they can try to push law makers but it's a false urgency.

12 minutes ago, The Beast said:

I know what the Schefter tweet and this statement says but I don’t think it is over yet. Still seems like posturing to me.

Kevin Warren is useless.

"To advance" isn't to build.

5 minutes ago, Texsox said:

I agree. The team really controls the time line and I guess they can try to push law makers but it's a false urgency.

They can push lawmakers into a special session but I think there’s something to be said about taking time to get the legislation right so that the taxpayers aren’t getting a crappy deal. Rushing to pass legislation before the state budget deadline seems like a bad idea.

Kevin Warren is useless because he messed around with Chicago as an option for too long instead of working on securing Arlington Heights. Among other reasons.

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2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

"To advance" isn't to build.

"Pride and joy of Indiana" doesn't roll off the tongue as well and I don't trust Kevin Warren as a lyricist.

4 minutes ago, The Beast said:

They can push lawmakers into a special session but I think there’s something to be said about taking time to get the legislation right so that the taxpayers aren’t getting a crappy deal. Rushing to pass legislation before the state budget deadline seems like a bad idea.

Kevin Warren is useless because he messed around with Chicago as an option for too long instead of working on securing Arlington Heights. Among other reasons.

Never trust someone pushing you into a decision. I would propose calling their bluff but that would be trolling.

8 minutes ago, The Beast said:

They can push lawmakers into a special session but I think there’s something to be said about taking time to get the legislation right so that the taxpayers aren’t getting a crappy deal. Rushing to pass legislation before the state budget deadline seems like a bad idea.

Kevin Warren is useless because he messed around with Chicago as an option for too long instead of working on securing Arlington Heights. Among other reasons.

It was only rushed because literally every party on both sides (except Indiana) has dragged their feet every step of the way

9 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

"To advance" isn't to build.

Trying to gather public demand for a stadium. While they may think the public has short memories, JR's threats are still remembered by fans forty years later.

Of course the Bears are remembering the "midnight deal" that kept the team in Chicago. I barely believed JR's current threats, I'm even less inclined to believe the only team of is kind in Chicago threats.

I still wish they could build on the Soldier Field site.

3 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

It was only rushed because literally every party on both sides (except Indiana) has dragged their feet every step of the way

Plus it's easy to make an offer that you know has little chance to succeed.

I wonder how much support there would be if fans were guaranteed somehow the stadium savings would directly go to player payrolls and be spent building winning teams instead of creating more wealth for the owners.