spiderman Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 31 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: “That's part of the reason why he's in Triple-A, because we want him to play,” said White Sox manager Will Venable of Baldwin. “He's still a young player, and we just don't have that opportunity for him here. He's part of our vision for the future, and for him to get there and really develop, he needs to be in Triple-A playing." Why are they playing veteran bottom of the barrel types in the majors over him? With the current roster, it wouldn't be hard to get him playing time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 9 minutes ago, spiderman said: Why are they playing veteran bottom of the barrel types in the majors over him? With the current roster, it wouldn't be hard to get him playing time. If Vinny Capra can play 4 times a week, there is your ABs right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) 14 hours ago, Soxfest said: Don’t see the big deal on Baldwin, I see nothing that good against major league pitching. Defense is just awful. He was hitting .215 in 130 ABs with 3 HR (and almost a 4th that hit on the tape). He had 4 errors in 89 games in '24 and '25 playing 2B, SS, 3B and all 3 outfield positions. (I think .980 fielding %) Not great stats, but a start for a young player. IMO, the Sox should let him focus on one position rather than 6. Maybe forget switch hitting and focus on his stronger side. Really, some leadership by the Sox development people that provides a sensible plan for this player would be great. Instead, he is branded as a switch hitting utility player and then bring him in to pinch hit against a MLB Closer before he gets sent down. Edited June 18 by tray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 23 minutes ago, spiderman said: Why are they playing veteran bottom of the barrel types in the majors over him? With the current roster, it wouldn't be hard to get him playing time. We continue to have the absolute dumbest "roster crunches" in MLB history. Just fucking cut Slater and Capra and bring up Fletcher and Baldwin. This isn't complicated. Slater is the wrong side of a platoon and sucks anyways. At least baldwin and fletcher are LHH and under 30. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 13 minutes ago, spiderman said: Why are they playing veteran bottom of the barrel types in the majors over him? With the current roster, it wouldn't be hard to get him playing time. Because Baldwin deserves every day ABs and it won't be at SS . It's going to be mostly in the OF where playing every day defensively is pretty important. Once Tauchman , Slater and Taylor are removed and Beni is back to DH , Baldwin should be in LF almost every day. You just can't stop playing the vets if you hope to trade them no matter how unlikely you think getting any type of good return is. Contributors to good teams come from unexpected places sometimes. If Baldwin is going to be a good player It doesn't make a difference if he gets his chance now or it starts sometime in July. I think it's great that after he got sent back down that he responded with going 3 for 3 with 2 HRs ,a triple and a walk in 4 ABs. He's not sulking that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 24 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: That's over though. That's a pretty long cry. I know everyone makes a big deal about telling one another how to fan but I don't understand ultra negative fans. If you are that upset, that negative, that hurt and it's that deep that you have to write about it every day something just seems very wrong . Move on, do something else. How long are people going to carry on like this. Sports is always full of disappointment as fans. Best case scenario you move on and look forward and find hope where you can instead of crying about the terrible players that are inevitable in a rebuild. Baldwin could turn into a huge win for the organization but it won't happen over night. So could the Montgomery's. Odds are less than even that all 3 have even 1 All Star season but why should I let that stop me from saying there's also a chance for a much better outcome too. You know once things turn around you'll be still here talking about playoff matchups as if none of this ever occured. I'm sorry, what now? Did you get a memo none of us got? The White Sox are 23-50, and have the second worst record in the sport, only behind the historically bad Rockies, who have the "privilege" of most likely dethroning the 2024 White Sox as the worst team in MLB history. Since the start of the 2023 season, the White Sox are 125-272. The Rockies are still 11 games ahead of the Sox over that time, at 136-261. This has been the worst stretch of White Sox baseball any of us have ever lived through, and that's saying something, given how mediocre this franchise has been historically. You have every right to be as "positive" as you want. Go nuts. But spare everyone the puzzled thought of "Gee, can't understand why people are down on the White Sox??" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 12 minutes ago, Tony said: I'm sorry, what now? Did you get a memo none of us got? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: If Vinny Capra can play 4 times a week, there is your ABs right there. Exactly. There's no answer that can justify playing a veteran stop-gap like Capra over someone they say is part of the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 46 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: We continue to have the absolute dumbest "roster crunches" in MLB history. Just fucking cut Slater and Capra and bring up Fletcher and Baldwin. This isn't complicated. Slater is the wrong side of a platoon and sucks anyways. At least baldwin and fletcher are LHH and under 30. It's some sort of a desire to have a veteran presence on the roster. I'd like to also have a veteran presence on the roster - just ones are actual major league players with plus skills. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 45 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Because Baldwin deserves every day ABs and it won't be at SS . It's going to be mostly in the OF where playing every day defensively is pretty important. Once Tauchman , Slater and Taylor are removed and Beni is back to DH , Baldwin should be in LF almost every day. You just can't stop playing the vets if you hope to trade them no matter how unlikely you think getting any type of good return is. Contributors to good teams come from unexpected places sometimes. If Baldwin is going to be a good player It doesn't make a difference if he gets his chance now or it starts sometime in July. I think it's great that after he got sent back down that he responded with going 3 for 3 with 2 HRs ,a triple and a walk in 4 ABs. He's not sulking that's for sure. Do you think the White Sox are going to be able to trade vets like Taylor, Slater or Capra for anything? Some team will want Tauchman, but he's a 5th OF, maybe depth for a contending team that needs one extra player off the bench. I don't think Beni is getting traded and if Robert does, it'll be for a very unsatisfying return. There just isn't much value here that other teams will want. Eventually this will get cleared out - by trades or releasing players, but it doesn't need to take another month + to do so. I also don't see Baldwin as a player who will be at one position so I don't mind if he plays all over. I think there's plenty of options to get him playing time 4-5x a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 15 minutes ago, Tony said: I'm sorry, what now? Did you get a memo none of us got? The White Sox are 23-50, and have the second worst record in the sport, only behind the historically bad Rockies, who have the "privilege" of most likely dethroning the 2024 White Sox as the worst team in MLB history. Since the start of the 2023 season, the White Sox are 125-272. The Rockies are still 11 games ahead of the Sox over that time, at 136-261. This has been the worst stretch of White Sox baseball any of us have ever lived through, and that's saying something, given how mediocre this franchise has been historically. You have every right to be as "positive" as you want. Go nuts. But spare everyone the puzzled thought of "Gee, can't understand why people are down on the White Sox??" And spare me your angry tears that blind you so much that you can't see that my "that's over now" comment came in response to " having that worst team in the history of the sport" which I took to mean the 2024 season which is now over and a part of history as the writer said. And I will not spare you or anyone else my opinion which was pretty calm and courteous compared to your sarcastic response . As you said "go nuts" and I'll continue doing what I do. I am actually puzzled that you pretend that everything is the same as it was last year. There's much more positive things happening that you would expect on a developing team on a year to year basis starting at rock bottom. Getz didn't even manage to get his full nucleus of coaches in until this year . Yes,historically, you were generous that the franchise has been mediocre but it's possible if the sale to the Ishbia's holds up that you could be looking at a Renaissance era of White Sox baseball. Maybe everything isn't so bad if you don't let history cloud your judgement. And I'm sure it's of little consequence but they set the record for most losses but were not "the worst team in MLB history. This article placed them at 39th worst using advanced metrics and comparing them to league average. https://theanalyst.com/articles/2024-chicago-white-sox-worst-team-in-mlb-history Have a sunny day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 hour ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: That's over though. That's a pretty long cry. I know everyone makes a big deal about telling one another how to fan but I don't understand ultra negative fans. If you are that upset, that negative, that hurt and it's that deep that you have to write about it every day something just seems very wrong . Move on, do something else. How long are people going to carry on like this. Sports is always full of disappointment as fans. Best case scenario you move on and look forward and find hope where you can instead of crying about the terrible players that are inevitable in a rebuild. Baldwin could turn into a huge win for the organization but it won't happen over night. So could the Montgomery's. Odds are less than even that all 3 have even 1 All Star season but why should I let that stop me from saying there's also a chance for a much better outcome too. You know once things turn around you'll be still here talking about playoff matchups as if none of this ever occured. Yet here you are doing the exact same thing. Take your own advice and move on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 29 minutes ago, spiderman said: Do you think the White Sox are going to be able to trade vets like Taylor, Slater or Capra for anything? Some team will want Tauchman, but he's a 5th OF, maybe depth for a contending team that needs one extra player off the bench. I don't think Beni is getting traded and if Robert does, it'll be for a very unsatisfying return. There just isn't much value here that other teams will want. Eventually this will get cleared out - by trades or releasing players, but it doesn't need to take another month + to do so. I also don't see Baldwin as a player who will be at one position so I don't mind if he plays all over. I think there's plenty of options to get him playing time 4-5x a week. I don't know.Nobody thought they get anything for Vaughn and they got a guy whos not useful for the future beyond this July most likely, but he is still of more value than Vaughn in helping preserve young arms and likely to fetch a minor prospect if he traded . If I have to keep hearing from angry fans because the Sox were historically bad then vets who play along with the youths to become a better than historically bad team should be tolerated for what little you can get for them. If one turns into a Tatis Jr. or even a guy who hits a PH GW HR in a playoff game in 2031 no one will complain. The Siths can't have it all their way continuously whining about the record then saying the record doesn't matter, just dump all the vets for the youth immediately. That's not how teams operate. I'd love to see Baldwin getting MLB AB right now too but do you honestly think waiting another month is going to screw up his whole career ? Most people are already penciling him in as a good super utility guy . He could be so much more than that but he won't be until he's seeing every day MLB AB for at least a good 400 ABs to see if he can make any advanced progress like he has in the minors. Hopefully that comes where the Sox have the most opportunities and that's in the OF. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) 27 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Yet here you are doing the exact same thing. Take your own advice and move on. What exact same thing am I doing ? Explain it to me .Communication is the key to understanding. Edited June 18 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 26 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: And spare me your angry tears that blind you so much that you can't see that my "that's over now" comment came in response to " having that worst team in the history of the sport" which I took to mean the 2024 season which is now over and a part of history as the writer said. And I will not spare you or anyone else my opinion which was pretty calm and courteous compared to your sarcastic response . As you said "go nuts" and I'll continue doing what I do. I am actually puzzled that you pretend that everything is the same as it was last year. There's much more positive things happening that you would expect on a developing team on a year to year basis starting at rock bottom. Getz didn't even manage to get his full nucleus of coaches in until this year . Yes,historically, you were generous that the franchise has been mediocre but it's possible if the sale to the Ishbia's holds up that you could be looking at a Renaissance era of White Sox baseball. Maybe everything isn't so bad if you don't let history cloud your judgement. And I'm sure it's of little consequence but they set the record for most losses but were not "the worst team in MLB history. This article placed them at 39th worst using advanced metrics and comparing them to league average. https://theanalyst.com/articles/2024-chicago-white-sox-worst-team-in-mlb-history Have a sunny day. Listen, I'll admit part of me is envious of you. Your ability to detach from reality and live in a fantasy world is pretty impressive. You reference letting "history" cloud my judgement, as if I'm citing what the 1974 White Sox did has some baring on what's happening in 2025. I'll repeat myself for the folks in the back: Since the start of the 2023 season, the White Sox are 125-272. They have been the worst team in baseball over that stretch. We're still in that stretch. It's happening..right now. Lastly, you're on this crusade against those that are too negative, using phrases like "spare me your angry tears that blind you so much." I'm not going stop you from trying to sound like drunk Shakespeare, but it seems like you may be the angry one? I don't watch the White Sox. A few weeks ago I watched about 6 innings of a Shane Smith start, and it was the first game I had actually spent time watching. For the very limited time I spend around the White Sox, 95% of that is spent here. It's upsetting their poor management has led to my lack of interest, but I'll start to care more when ownership cares more. I'm not crying, I'm not angry. All I did was state objective fact to you. They have the second worst record in the league in 2025, and have been the worst team in baseball over the last 2.5 seasons. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champagne030 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 55 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: And spare me your angry tears that blind you so much that you can't see that my "that's over now" comment came in response to " having that worst team in the history of the sport" which I took to mean the 2024 season which is now over and a part of history as the writer said. And I will not spare you or anyone else my opinion which was pretty calm and courteous compared to your sarcastic response . As you said "go nuts" and I'll continue doing what I do. I am actually puzzled that you pretend that everything is the same as it was last year. There's much more positive things happening that you would expect on a developing team on a year to year basis starting at rock bottom. Getz didn't even manage to get his full nucleus of coaches in until this year . Yes,historically, you were generous that the franchise has been mediocre but it's possible if the sale to the Ishbia's holds up that you could be looking at a Renaissance era of White Sox baseball. Maybe everything isn't so bad if you don't let history cloud your judgement. And I'm sure it's of little consequence but they set the record for most losses but were not "the worst team in MLB history. This article placed them at 39th worst using advanced metrics and comparing them to league average. https://theanalyst.com/articles/2024-chicago-white-sox-worst-team-in-mlb-history Have a sunny day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 17 minutes ago, Tony said: I don't watch the White Sox. A few weeks ago I watched about 6 innings of a Shane Smith start, and it was the first game I had actually spent time watching. For the very limited time I spend around the White Sox, 95% of that is spent here. IMO, one has to watch or attend a lot of games in order to make sweeping judgments about this team. Quero, Teel, Vargas, and Meidroth have been surprisingly good and fun to watch ... if you enjoy baseball or the White Sox. But it's your ballgame here so whatever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 30 minutes ago, tray said: IMO, one has to watch or attend a lot of games in order to make sweeping judgments about this team. Quero, Teel, Vargas, and Meidroth have been surprisingly good and fun to watch ... if you enjoy baseball or the White Sox. But it's your ballgame here so whatever. Man our standards have just disappeared. Vargas is on pace for about a 3 WAR season, and that is the best of the lot. And that is "surprisingly good". 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 15 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Man our standards have just disappeared. Vargas is on pace for about a 3 WAR season, and that is the best of the lot. And that is "surprisingly good". That's your opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 8 minutes ago, tray said: That's your opinion. Well, Miguel Vargas is 13th of 19 amongst 3Bs with his 1.3 fWAR, so I would love you see your "standards" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanut33tillman Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Capra taking away ABs away from a guy who may be (likely isn’t anything but worth a look) longterm in Baldwin in a completely lost W/L year is stupid. I personally don’t think Baldwin is even a bench depth piece in the future over guys like Perez, Bergolla, Antonacci but I’d sure like to find out in a 23-49 season rather guys like Vinny Capra and Josh Rojas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 2 hours ago, Tony said: Listen, I'll admit part of me is envious of you. Your ability to detach from reality and live in a fantasy world is pretty impressive. You reference letting "history" cloud my judgement, as if I'm citing what the 1974 White Sox did has some baring on what's happening in 2025. I'll repeat myself for the folks in the back: Since the start of the 2023 season, the White Sox are 125-272. They have been the worst team in baseball over that stretch. We're still in that stretch. It's happening..right now. Lastly, you're on this crusade against those that are too negative, using phrases like "spare me your angry tears that blind you so much." I'm not going stop you from trying to sound like drunk Shakespeare, but it seems like you may be the angry one? I don't watch the White Sox. A few weeks ago I watched about 6 innings of a Shane Smith start, and it was the first game I had actually spent time watching. For the very limited time I spend around the White Sox, 95% of that is spent here. It's upsetting their poor management has led to my lack of interest, but I'll start to care more when ownership cares more. I'm not crying, I'm not angry. All I did was state objective fact to you. They have the second worst record in the league in 2025, and have been the worst team in baseball over the last 2.5 seasons. The stink goes back a lot longer than that. Since the start of 2007 they have had 12 losing years, five winning ones and a .500 season. That's among the worst in baseball over that extended time period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 "Yeah, it's dumb but does it really matter." White Sox should consider this for their marketing slogan... maybe even put it in the tunnel leading to the dugout so every player can slap it as they come out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: Well, Miguel Vargas is 13th of 19 amongst 3Bs with his 1.3 fWAR, so I would love you see your "standards" Was going to say...opinions aren't facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?stats=bat&lg=all&type=8&season=2025&pos=3b&team=0&qual=120&pagenum=2&pageitems=30 If you cut it down to 120 PA’s you get Vargas as 16th out of 39 possible players. So still essentially your average 3B across thirty teams. When the definition of mired in mediocrity is your very best position guy, you still have a LONG way to go as a team. Edited June 18 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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