The Mighty Mite Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Called up last Friday and had 3 ABs, someone doesn’t like this guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 12 minutes ago, The Mighty Mite said: Called up last Friday and had 3 ABs, someone doesn’t like this guy. The league 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Can’t risk losing Capra to another team. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Looks like Baldwin and Elko have no future with the White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Who came up? Sosa? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 People scream about "development" when a player boots a grounder or misplays a pop-up. Then when the Sox find a way to keep a guy in AAA for a few months to work on his game, we all become victims of the Sox not putting this guy in the bigs. Sports Talk and Sox Twitter have turned us all into incorrigible whiners. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 3 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Can’t risk losing Capra to another team. There are always more Clones to be had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 3 hours ago, The Mighty Mite said: Called up last Friday and had 3 ABs, someone doesn’t like this guy. They expected Elko and Baldwin to save a sinking ship and were disappointed that they couldn't. This is not the team for a a prospect or any new player to try to break-in with. Patience has worn thin and understandably so. They just can't stop losing no matter what they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanut33tillman Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 I’d guess Baldwin and Elko both likely end up as AAAA players but I’d have liked to see Baldwin get more than 3 ABs this go round as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 1 hour ago, WestEddy said: People scream about "development" when a player boots a grounder or misplays a pop-up. Then when the Sox find a way to keep a guy in AAA for a few months to work on his game, we all become victims of the Sox not putting this guy in the bigs. Sports Talk and Sox Twitter have turned us all into incorrigible whiners. I think having the the worst team in the history of the sport has a lot to do with the whining. 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 17 minutes ago, fathom said: I think having the the worst team in the history of the sport has a lot to do with the whining. Fall in line with the rest of the clones. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 (edited) A lot of this is internal indecisiveness about whether Baldwin even has the ability to be more than a super utility player. Still a weird look to prioritize Palacios' opportunities over a legit prospect at the start of the year. Seems to be a case where Venable doesn't trust lthe young player with more fundamentals issues...over a more experienced vet. Sosa is a similar type of player on the field defensively...just can't quite believe in him to make the routine plays that are necessary on a consistent basis. Edited June 17 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 1 hour ago, tray said: They expected Elko and Baldwin to save a sinking ship and were disappointed that they couldn't. This is not the team for a a prospect or any new player to try to break-in with. Patience has worn thin and understandably so. They just can't stop losing no matter what they do. Elko is generally regarded as a AAAA player. Nobody, even his most ardent supporters here, thought he would "save" this team. Brooks Baldwin needs work in both his offensive and defensive games if he wants a prolonged look on the major league club. Quero, Teel, Meidroth, Shane Smith, Mike Vasil, Sean Burke, Cannon, Davis Martin, Eisert, Grant Taylor, Leasure and Cam Booser all had less than one year's service time coming into this season. Miguel Vargas and Lenyn Sosa have one year's service time. That's 14 players - more than half the team is rookies "breaking in" to the majors. And if you really want to get technical about it, Ryan Noda and Jacob Amaya are getting/got extended looks in the majors. 2 starting (Houser, Civale) and 3 relief pitchers (S. Wilson, Altavilla, Alexander) are soaking up the remaining innings and will most probably all be moved at the deadline. That leaves their 5 OFs (Robert, Benintendi, Slater, Tauchman, Michael A. Taylor), most of whom are being marketed for this TDL. None of the outfielders at AAA are generally regarded as "prospects" anymore. Any playing time they get will most likely come after the TDL, which is still a full 2 months of major league games at over $3k paid a day. Can you explain how "this is not the team for a prospects to 'break in' with"? Elko was clearly overmatched at the plate. Baldwin is getting instruction on playing OF at Charlotte, and will probably start the last two months of the season. Otherwise, over half of their roster is prospects or rookies getting a full shot at breaking in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 (edited) 9 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Elko is generally regarded as a AAAA player. Nobody, even his most ardent supporters here, thought he would "save" this team. Brooks Baldwin needs work in both his offensive and defensive games if he wants a prolonged look on the major league club. Quero, Teel, Meidroth, Shane Smith, Mike Vasil, Sean Burke, Cannon, Davis Martin, Eisert, Grant Taylor, Leasure and Cam Booser all had less than one year's service time coming into this season. Miguel Vargas and Lenyn Sosa have one year's service time. That's 14 players - more than half the team is rookies "breaking in" to the majors. And if you really want to get technical about it, Ryan Noda and Jacob Amaya are getting/got extended looks in the majors. 2 starting (Houser, Civale) and 3 relief pitchers (S. Wilson, Altavilla, Alexander) are soaking up the remaining innings and will most probably all be moved at the deadline. That leaves their 5 OFs (Robert, Benintendi, Slater, Tauchman, Michael A. Taylor), most of whom are being marketed for this TDL. None of the outfielders at AAA are generally regarded as "prospects" anymore. Any playing time they get will most likely come after the TDL, which is still a full 2 months of major league games at over $3k paid a day. Can you explain how "this is not the team for a prospects to 'break in' with"? Elko was clearly overmatched at the plate. Baldwin is getting instruction on playing OF at Charlotte, and will probably start the last two months of the season. Otherwise, over half of their roster is prospects or rookies getting a full shot at breaking in. I just don't think Baldwin has much to prove in AAA the way he was swinging it. Let him play every day here and figure it out. Edit: although, I think his time will come when they move an OF (Robert, Tauchman). Edited June 17 by Bob Sacamano 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 40 minutes ago, fathom said: I think having the the worst team in the history of the sport has a lot to do with the whining. Sure. A guy like Elko getting paid close to $4000 a day for a week really isn't jerking him around. Baldwin's working on his OF defense and his hitting at AAA. Promoting a player for a few days (again, at close to $4000 a day), isn't mistreating him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 1 hour ago, tray said: They expected Elko and Baldwin to save a sinking ship and were disappointed that they couldn't. This is not the team for a a prospect or any new player to try to break-in with. Patience has worn thin and understandably so. They just can't stop losing no matter what they do. Since 2007 that has become basically ingrained in the organization from top to bottom...and it all starts at the very top. "An owner who 'thinks he knows everything' led the White Sox to historic disaster" - The Athletic September 19, 2024 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 11 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: I just don't think Baldwin has much to prove in AAA the way he was swinging it. Let him play every day here and figure it out. Edit: although, I think his time will come when they move an OF (Robert, Tauchman). When Sosa returns, there won't be any spots for Baldwin to play every day, unless they bench/cut Noda, and put Baldwin somewhere in the IF, when it seems they really want him to learn CF right now. And I don't really know the math but maybe keeping him down for most of June and July buys yet another year out of him. I do think that Baldwin can be a starter who bounces around the diamond, eventually. But I think he's there, yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Is what it is as a fringe roster guy. That said, Taylor has 9 lives. He's already run through about 2/3 of them one would hope. We're really committed to this "strong defense" thing which I guess justifies Taylor, but when you're constantly losing 2-1, 3-2 and so on maybe you might want to consider just how far defense can take you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 30 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Elko is generally regarded as a AAAA player. Nobody, even his most ardent supporters here, thought he would "save" this team. Brooks Baldwin needs work in both his offensive and defensive games if he wants a prolonged look on the major league club. Quero, Teel, Meidroth, Shane Smith, Mike Vasil, Sean Burke, Cannon, Davis Martin, Eisert, Grant Taylor, Leasure and Cam Booser all had less than one year's service time coming into this season. Miguel Vargas and Lenyn Sosa have one year's service time. That's 14 players - more than half the team is rookies "breaking in" to the majors. And if you really want to get technical about it, Ryan Noda and Jacob Amaya are getting/got extended looks in the majors. 2 starting (Houser, Civale) and 3 relief pitchers (S. Wilson, Altavilla, Alexander) are soaking up the remaining innings and will most probably all be moved at the deadline. That leaves their 5 OFs (Robert, Benintendi, Slater, Tauchman, Michael A. Taylor), most of whom are being marketed for this TDL. None of the outfielders at AAA are generally regarded as "prospects" anymore. Any playing time they get will most likely come after the TDL, which is still a full 2 months of major league games at over $3k paid a day. Can you explain how "this is not the team for a prospects to 'break in' with"? Elko was clearly overmatched at the plate. Baldwin is getting instruction on playing OF at Charlotte, and will probably start the last two months of the season. Otherwise, over half of their roster is prospects or rookies getting a full shot at breaking in. Elko a AAAA player who was going to apparently sell tickets with his call up? Hmmm.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 1 hour ago, WestEddy said: Elko is generally regarded as a AAAA player. Nobody, even his most ardent supporters here, thought he would "save" this team. Brooks Baldwin needs work in both his offensive and defensive games if he wants a prolonged look on the major league club. Quero, Teel, Meidroth, Shane Smith, Mike Vasil, Sean Burke, Cannon, Davis Martin, Eisert, Grant Taylor, Leasure and Cam Booser all had less than one year's service time coming into this season. Miguel Vargas and Lenyn Sosa have one year's service time. That's 14 players - more than half the team is rookies "breaking in" to the majors. And if you really want to get technical about it, Ryan Noda and Jacob Amaya are getting/got extended looks in the majors. 2 starting (Houser, Civale) and 3 relief pitchers (S. Wilson, Altavilla, Alexander) are soaking up the remaining innings and will most probably all be moved at the deadline. That leaves their 5 OFs (Robert, Benintendi, Slater, Tauchman, Michael A. Taylor), most of whom are being marketed for this TDL. None of the outfielders at AAA are generally regarded as "prospects" anymore. Any playing time they get will most likely come after the TDL, which is still a full 2 months of major league games at over $3k paid a day. Can you explain how "this is not the team for a prospects to 'break in' with"? Elko was clearly overmatched at the plate. Baldwin is getting instruction on playing OF at Charlotte, and will probably start the last two months of the season. Otherwise, over half of their roster is prospects or rookies getting a full shot at breaking in. If they need development, let them develop. But pick a venue. Don't call them up for a couple of games only to send them back. No one is going to get better that way. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty_Kuntz Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 I'd like to see Baldwin get a longer look but to be fair he was a complete mess this go around, looked like a deer in the headlights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 1 hour ago, chitownsportsfan said: Is what it is as a fringe roster guy. That said, Taylor has 9 lives. He's already run through about 2/3 of them one would hope. We're really committed to this "strong defense" thing which I guess justifies Taylor, but when you're constantly losing 2-1, 3-2 and so on maybe you might want to consider just how far defense can take you. This roster is LOADED with older AAAA players, well AAAA players at best. Some of these guys weren't even good in their AAA stops, but yet they continue to get start after start. Taylor is a great example, just like Rojas, Capra, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 he had many TOOTBLANs and it is time to train him to be more focused. if they hadnt happened he might not have been sent down the first time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 11 minutes ago, Rusty_Kuntz said: I'd like to see Baldwin get a longer look but to be fair he was a complete mess this go around, looked like a deer in the headlights. Vinny Capra has a .290, not batting average, not on base percentage, not slugging percentage, but OPS. Hal of this roster is a complete mess and looks like a deer in the headlights at the plate. I mean it isn't like ARod is blocking Brooks Baldwin from playing time here. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty_Kuntz Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 13 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Vinny Capra has a .290, not batting average, not on base percentage, not slugging percentage, but OPS. Hal of this roster is a complete mess and looks like a deer in the headlights at the plate. I mean it isn't like ARod is blocking Brooks Baldwin from playing time here. No doubt, but I think you can make the argument that they saw Baldwin was really struggling mentally and didn't want to ruin his confidence. That said I would still prefer they let him work through it. Capra obviously shouldn't be anywhere near an MLB roster but no one cares if he's struggling or not on a 100+ loss team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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