Bob Sacamano Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 17 minutes ago, ptatc said: There it is. There's no reason for the guys who are only here through the end of this year to still be here after today. That's not really a hot take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 13 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: But it’s true. This is what losing teams do. If the trade deadline has passed and Getz has only traded Slater, he’s right, it’s a failure. You can’t tell me that Slater is the only player he could reasonably manage to trade. The funny part is I was one of the few slow rolling the deadline saying I wouldn't be surprised if fewer players got dealt than expected just because of their nature as not being top choices, but if it ends up the Sox are largely in tact? yeah, we got problems here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 17 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: But it’s true. This is what losing teams do. If the trade deadline has passed and Getz has only traded Slater, he’s right, it’s a failure. You can’t tell me that Slater is the only player he could reasonably manage to trade. Are you sure of the other offers? Maybe no one wanted Robert because of the injury history. Maybe with all the innings needed the rest of the season because they are protecting the young arms, keeping the pitchers innings was more valuable than the returns? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 13 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: There's no reason for the guys who are only here through the end of this year to still be here after today. That's not really a hot take. There are viable reasons. I would have preferred to trade them as well but its not an unqualified failure. More of a preference depending on the return for some of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 13 minutes ago, ptatc said: Are you sure of the other offers? Maybe no one wanted Robert because of the injury history. Maybe with all the innings needed the rest of the season because they are protecting the young arms, keeping the pitchers innings was more valuable than the returns? Houser. He has value and should be traded. You can call up any random pitcher to pitch innings — see yesterday’s starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Amazing how much of an overlap there is between the "Getz signed Veterans to trade them at the deadline" and the "it's not a failure if you don't trade the veterans" groups are. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Amazing how much of an overlap there is between the "Getz signed Veterans to trade them at the deadline" and the "it's not a failure if you don't trade the veterans" groups are. Getzpologists. Edited July 31 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 9 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Amazing how much of an overlap there is between the "Getz signed Veterans to trade them at the deadline" and the "it's not a failure if you don't trade the veterans" groups are. Stick your head in the sand and pretend it’s all good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 15 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Amazing how much of an overlap there is between the "Getz signed Veterans to trade them at the deadline" and the "it's not a failure if you don't trade the veterans" groups are. A complete Venn circle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 15 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Houser. He has value and should be traded. You can call up any random pitcher to pitch innings — see yesterday’s starter. I don't know. Reports were that red Sox preferred Civale. Maybe the industry doesn't trust Houser can do anything. So maybe he's worth more to eat up innings from the young pitchers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 15 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Getzpologists. Ah yes. The name calling when people dont agree. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 I don't think there's any need to overanalyze the headline claim here. I'm sure they like Houser more than Civale. I like a Ferrari better than a Corolla. But I know which one I'm more likely to buy. This just tells us that the Red Sox don't like the price the Sox are setting for Houser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 10 minutes ago, ptatc said: I don't know. Reports were that red Sox preferred Civale. Maybe the industry doesn't trust Houser can do anything. So maybe he's worth more to eat up innings from the young pitchers. I think Civale and his offspeed stuff could really play up in short bullpen appearances Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedoctor Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 my hope at this point is that most of the guys the sox are peddling are fallback options for teams who don't get the guy they want, so we'll push right to the deadline before we see anything. i can also be that getz isn't very good at this (occam's razor, etc). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 6 minutes ago, thedoctor said: my hope at this point is that most of the guys the sox are peddling are fallback options for teams who don't get the guy they want, so we'll push right to the deadline before we see anything. i can also be that getz isn't very good at this (occam's razor, etc). Im just picturing a scenario where they don't trade Robert and then he gets his option declined in the offseason. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Holdup may be some of the big SP names haven't been moved yet so market hasn't shifted to secondary options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 (edited) 16 minutes ago, ptatc said: Ah yes. The name calling when people dont agree. Aren’t you the same poster that basically puts the majority of posters all in the same bucket, if they dare be critical of any move the Sox make? Oh yeah… hypocritical much? Edited July 31 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 11 minutes ago, SoCalChiSox said: Holdup may be some of the big SP names haven't been moved yet so market hasn't shifted to secondary options. Cease being dangled, for one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 10 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Cease being dangled, for one. There are probably 10 bigger names that still could move before Houser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 17 minutes ago, fathom said: I think Civale and his offspeed stuff could really play up in short bullpen appearances Would teams trade for him though when he already refused to go to the bullpen in Milwaukee? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 7 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Cease being dangled, for one. Would be nice to see Cease traded and then the Padres use some of that capital to get Houser and Robert from us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 18 minutes ago, fathom said: I think Civale and his offspeed stuff could really play up in short bullpen appearances Then hes tanked his whole value before we even acquired him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 11 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Aren’t you the same poster that basically puts the majority of posters all in the same bucket, if they dare be critical of any move the Sox make? Oh yeah… hypocritical much? Don't think so. That's just a comment on the general reactions. Can't say its the same. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 9 minutes ago, ptatc said: Would teams trade for him though when he already refused to go to the bullpen in Milwaukee? Good question, who knows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sin city sox fan Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 If we dont trade Houser or Civale, do we just cut bait with Noah? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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