Sox fire Katz and Thames

[WhiteSox2023]

16 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

In that you're no longer a Sox fan. Good riddance to bad garbage. Good luck rooting for the Marlins. LOL. 

Yeah, you just went full on homer.  I’m not a Sox fan, and am instead a Marlins fan, because I think Getz and Jerry suck at their respective jobs.  Thanks for proving my point about you.

Edited October 18 by WhiteSox2023

[WestEddy]

3 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Yeah, you just went full on homer.  I’m not a Sox fan, and am instead a Marlins fan, because I think Getz and Jerry suck at their respective jobs.  Thanks for proving my point about you.

Homer is a good thing. People who bend themselves into a pretzel to prove they're not "homers" are pathetic. Go find another fanbase, and maybe they'll let you "fluff" them. Good luck. Get a dental dam. 

[WhiteSox2023]

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

Homer is a good thing. People who bend themselves into a pretzel to prove they're not "homers" are pathetic. Go find another fanbase, and maybe they'll let you "fluff" them. Good luck. Get a dental dam. 

No thanks.  It’s more fun watching you try to convince everyone that Getz is good at his job.  How many more losing seasons will the Sox incur before you admit you were wrong?

3+ is probably a good bet.

[WestEddy]

1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

No thanks.  It’s more fun watching you try to convince everyone that Getz is good at his job.  How many more losing seasons will the Sox incur before you admit you were wrong?

3+ is probably a good bet.

Probably zero. Getz is good at his job. It wouldn't surprise me if the 2026 team won 82. 

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

I'm not even sure Eddy believes what he says; maybe just trying to convince himself.

What I can't figure out is before the year, in the predict how many games the Sox will win thread, Eddy picked the right answer (same as me!). But now he says "Getz exceeded expectations and was a B to B+." How did he exceed expectations if he won the exact amount of games you predicted from the start of the year. Make it make sense?!?!

Edited October 18 by Look at Ray Ray Run

[southsider2k5]

9 hours ago, WestEddy said:

Homer is a good thing. People who bend themselves into a pretzel to prove they're not "homers" are pathetic. Go find another fanbase, and maybe they'll let you "fluff" them. Good luck. Get a dental dam. 

Yeah, the Sox are already taken for fluffing!

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

10 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Getz already set the record with 121 losses in 2024.  It’s funny that you actually care that he might have prevented the Sox from losing 125.  But fine, I’ll roll with that assumption.  So Sammy Peralta’s mediocre 15 innings pitched in 2024 prevented 4 more losses?  Okay…

You were actually trying to give props to Getz for his Rule 5 drafting of Drohan, just because Drohan pitched better for the Red Sox this year AFTER Getz DFA’ed him, and he is now Boston’s 41st ranked prospect.  Meanwhile, your same favorite GM traded away the Red Sox currently #25 ranked prospect in Fajardo for an old garbage lefty reliever in Cam Booser.

Are you still confused by my post?  I’m not sure how you can’t comprehend your own hypocrisy in your efforts to fluff up one Chris Getz.

Fajardo is rising. I think we see him in the top 15 in some publications at start of next year.

[caulfield12]

1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

I'm not even sure Eddy believes what he says; maybe just trying to convince himself.

What I can't figure out is before the year, in the predict how many games the Sox will win thread, Eddy picked the right answer (same as me!). But now he says "Getz exceeded expectations and was a B to B+." How did he exceed expectations if he won the exact amount of games you predicted from the start of the year. Make it make sense?!?!

He exceeded the majority of fans' quite pessimistic predictions getting to 60 wins..

Perception is 90% of reality.

Edited October 18 by caulfield12

[WhiteSox2023]

1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

I'm not even sure Eddy believes what he says; maybe just trying to convince himself.

What I can't figure out is before the year, in the predict how many games the Sox will win thread, Eddy picked the right answer (same as me!). But now he says "Getz exceeded expectations and was a B to B+." How did he exceed expectations if he won the exact amount of games you predicted from the start of the year. Make it make sense?!?!

Well, apparently he’s winning 82 games next season so that grade is jumping to an A+ soon.

[kitekrazy]

11 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Yeah, you just went full on homer.  I’m not a Sox fan, and am instead a Marlins fan, because I think Getz and Jerry suck at their respective jobs.  Thanks for proving my point about you.

Interesting the record of the Marlins 2025 under their new GM compared to Getz.

[WestEddy]

6 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

I'm not even sure Eddy believes what he says; maybe just trying to convince himself.

What I can't figure out is before the year, in the predict how many games the Sox will win thread, Eddy picked the right answer (same as me!). But now he says "Getz exceeded expectations and was a B to B+." How did he exceed expectations if he won the exact amount of games you predicted from the start of the year. Make it make sense?!?!

In the "bold predictions" thread, I said 60 wins. I down graded that to 54 in the "pick the win total" thread, as I thought their offense was going to be as bad as 2024. I didn't see them fixing C. Monty, or the others (Teel, Vargas, Meidroth, Sosa) producing as they did. 

I do believe what I write here. I've said that I think this team, as constructed this moment, is a 70 win team. If they continue to develop, a couple of hot prospects replace lesser players on the 26-man, they could bump that to the mid 70's. Add a real starting pitcher, a couple good bullpen arms and an OF, and they could be high 70's, maybe even at .500, 81-82 wins. 

[Lip Man 1]

6 hours ago, WestEddy said:

In the "bold predictions" thread, I said 60 wins. I down graded that to 54 in the "pick the win total" thread, as I thought their offense was going to be as bad as 2024. I didn't see them fixing C. Monty, or the others (Teel, Vargas, Meidroth, Sosa) producing as they did. 

I do believe what I write here. I've said that I think this team, as constructed this moment, is a 70 win team. If they continue to develop, a couple of hot prospects replace lesser players on the 26-man, they could bump that to the mid 70's. Add a real starting pitcher, a couple good bullpen arms and an OF, and they could be high 70's, maybe even at .500, 81-82 wins. 

That's a lot of "if's" And you know JR isn't going to allow Getz to spend any real money to bring in some quality players. 

Sorry I can't see them winning more than 65 and that is "if" everything goes right for them, if not? A fourth straight season of 100 losses. 

[WhiteSox2023]

17 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

That's a lot of "if's" And you know JR isn't going to allow Getz to spend any real money to bring in some quality players. 

Sorry I can't see them winning more than 65 and that is "if" everything goes right for them, if not? A fourth straight season of 100 losses. 

Even without a potential lockout looming, I still don’t understand how some people think Jerry has any motivation to spend money on the roster until he ultimately sells in 2029 at the earliest.  The Sox are losing money because they stink and no one wants to pay to go watch them play.  Meanwhile, the Sox don’t have a good enough farm system to improve without also spending money.  The team will be “mired in mediocrity” until Ishbia takes over, cleans house of Getz, Barfield, and company, gets a legit FO in here, and spends some money.  Hopefully that happens in 2029 and we don’t have to wait much longer.

Edited October 19 by WhiteSox2023

[WestEddy]

13 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

That's a lot of "if's" And you know JR isn't going to allow Getz to spend any real money to bring in some quality players. 

Sorry I can't see them winning more than 65 and that is "if" everything goes right for them, if not? A fourth straight season of 100 losses. 

Well, they played at a .430 clip after the All-Star Break, while they played .329 ball before. So, they went from a 53 to a 69 win pace. Adrian Houser made two starts after the ASB, so it's not like he was responsible for half a dozen wins. 

Teel, Vargas, Sosa, Baldwin and C. Monty all hit better in the 2nd half of the season.

I would think that 5+ key players delivering at the same production rate as where they left off in 2025 would be "everything going right for them". 

 

[WhiteSox2023]

4 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Well, they played at a .430 clip after the All-Star Break, while they played .329 ball before. So, they went from a 53 to a 69 win pace. Adrian Houser made two starts after the ASB, so it's not like he was responsible for half a dozen wins. 

Teel, Vargas, Sosa, Baldwin and C. Monty all hit better in the 2nd half of the season.

I would think that 5+ key players delivering at the same production rate as where they left off in 2025 would be "everything going right for them". 

 

That is good, but still not enough.  And even if you think Getz is a good GM, can evaluate the free agent market properly, and sign the right players, he is neutered by an owner that simply won’t let him spend the money required to fill the holes on the team.

Edited October 19 by WhiteSox2023

[WestEddy]

19 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Even without a potential lockout looming, I still don’t understand how some people think Jerry has any motivation to spend money on the roster until he ultimately sells in 2029 at the earliest.  The Sox are losing money because they stink and no one wants to pay to go watch them play.  Meanwhile, the Sox don’t have a good enough farm system to improve without also spending money.  The team will be “mired in mediocrity” until Ishbia takes over, cleans house of Getz, Barfield, and company, gets a legit FO in here, and spends some money.  Hopefully that happens in 2029 and we don’t have to wait much longer.

I think it's silly to expect a multi-billionaire to set himself back 5 years, clearing out an entire front office that just completely upgraded the organization - out of spite. The Sox farm system just pumped 4 offensive starters and a handful of starting pitchers onto the 26-man roster. 

Sorry if I don't take the people seriously who thought the Sox would have trouble clearing 41 wins again this year, and whose answer to everything is "nothing changes until Getz is fired". That's most likely not happening before 2029, so I guess we'll see you back here then, huh?

 

[WhiteSox2023]

5 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

I think it's silly to expect a multi-billionaire to set himself back 5 years, clearing out an entire front office that just completely upgraded the organization - out of spite. The Sox farm system just pumped 4 offensive starters and a handful of starting pitchers onto the 26-man roster. 

Sorry if I don't take the people seriously who thought the Sox would have trouble clearing 41 wins again this year, and whose answer to everything is "nothing changes until Getz is fired". That's most likely not happening before 2029, so I guess we'll see you back here then, huh?

 

It’s not spite.  It’s history.  The major league team’s record matters.  It’s very possible that Getz doesn’t have a season over .500 or even sniffs the playoffs within the next 3 years before Ishbia can take over at the earliest.  I don’t think that’s a crazy statement.  Like I said, even if you think Getz is a good GM, his owner isn’t going to let him spend the money required to get his team to the next level.

[WestEddy]

8 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

That is good, but still not enough.  And even if you think Getz is a good GM, can evaluate the free agent market properly, and sign the right players, he is neutered by an owner that simply won’t let him spend the money required to fill the holes on the team.

Not good enough for what? Liptak said that if "everything went right", they'd be a worse team in 2026 than they were in the 2nd half of 2025. If they just tread water, get the same production from the likes of Benintendi, Robert, Tauchman and their pitching staff, that's a 70-win team. Nobody thinks they're going to sign Kyle Tucker or Schwarber, but they could do better around the edges in the bullpen and rotation. 

And they probably aren't in the position where adding big money free agents even puts them over the top at this point. Add Tucker, Cease and a closer, and they're maybe pushing for .500? They're most likely one season away from that type of push gets them far enough along the win curve to assure the playoffs. 

[WhiteSox2023]

3 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Not good enough for what? Liptak said that if "everything went right", they'd be a worse team in 2026 than they were in the 2nd half of 2025. If they just tread water, get the same production from the likes of Benintendi, Robert, Tauchman and their pitching staff, that's a 70-win team. Nobody thinks they're going to sign Kyle Tucker or Schwarber, but they could do better around the edges in the bullpen and rotation. 

And they probably aren't in the position where adding big money free agents even puts them over the top at this point. Add Tucker, Cease and a closer, and they're maybe pushing for .500? They're most likely one season away from that type of push gets them far enough along the win curve to assure the playoffs. 

Sorry, I didn’t catch that.  I don’t agree.  They will be better.  I still think .500 may be a stretch though.  70 wins sounds about right.

And I agree with your second paragraph as well.  But I just don’t see Jerry letting Getz spend enough money in any offseason to fill the team’s holes until he ultimately sells the team.

[WestEddy]

5 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

It’s not spite.  It’s history.  The major league team’s record matters.  It’s very possible that Getz doesn’t have a season over .500 or even sniffs the playoffs within the next 3 years before Ishbia can take over at the earliest.  I don’t think that’s a crazy statement.  Like I said, even if you think Getz is a good GM, his owner isn’t going to let him spend the money required to get his team to the next level.

Sure, if this team never hits .500 after 6 seasons of Getz, he didn't do his job. I think that's the extreme end of "worst that can happen". That would probably mean that all of Schultz, Hagen Smith, Grant Taylor, and others never develop into front line starters. That would probably also mean that the two Montys don't become first division starters, as well as Billy Carlson and 2026's first rounder. That also means that Teel, Vargas, Baldwin, Quero, Antonacci, none of them get significantly beyond league average hitters. 

That's, like, everything going wrong. In order for Getz to have 6 losing seasons. 

[WestEddy]

14 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Sorry, I didn’t catch that.  I don’t agree.  They will be better.  I still think .500 may be a stretch though.  70 wins sounds about right.

And I agree with your second paragraph as well.  But I just don’t see Jerry letting Getz spend enough money in any offseason to fill the team’s holes until he ultimately sells the team.

Reinsdorf has spent in the past. He's just not invested wisely, then stopped short when that one big signing could have put them over the top for a period. I'll agree with that. And I'd also agree that they're in a self-induced cash crisis that severely limits their ability to play with the big boys right now. 

I don't think Getz is boy wonder, or anything. He's delivered two pretty pedestrian bullpens. Maybe Katz played a part in some of that. But letting Mike Shirley do his job, letting Bannister, Fuller and Venable do theirs, I think they start this offseason as a 70 win team, and the choices they make determine where in the 70's they wind up. 

I still say it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of things went right, and they won 82, or something like that. Just shoring up the bullpen could give them a couple of wins. Antonacci outplaying Meidroth/Mead and becoming a regular, B. Monty pushing Benny out of the OF mix, Schultz could pull a Colson and start looking like the pitcher he's supposed to be in the majors - pushing Cannon out of the rotation. I'm not guaranteeing it, just saying I wouldn't think I was living in an alternate reality if a handful of things went right for a change, and they were a .500 team. 

Edited October 19 by WestEddy

[WhiteSox2023]

14 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Reinsdorf has spent in the past. He's just not invested wisely, then stopped short when that one big signing could have put them over the top for a period. I'll agree with that. And I'd also agree that they're in a self-induced cash crisis that severely limits their ability to play with the big boys right now. 

I don't think Getz is boy wonder, or anything. He's delivered two pretty pedestrian bullpens. Maybe Katz played a part in some of that. But letting Mike Shirley do his job, letting Bannister, Fuller and Venable do theirs, I think they start this offseason as a 70 win team, and the choices they make determine where in the 70's they wind up. 

I still say it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of things went right, and they won 82, or something like that. Just shoring up the bullpen could give them a couple of wins. Antonacci outplaying Meidroth/Mead and becoming a regular, B. Monty pushing Benny out of the OF mix, Schultz could pull a Colson and start looking like the pitcher he's supposed to be in the majors - pushing Cannon out of the rotation. I'm not guaranteeing it, just saying I wouldn't think I was living in an alternate reality if a handful of things went right for a change, and they were a .500 team. 

I can agree with most of this and that Jerry has spent in the past when the team was in competition.  However, he is now on the precipice of selling the team.  I don’t see him allowing Getz to spend any significant money within the next 3 seasons until he sells to Ishbia.  So while I am no fan of Getz, I will admit he is pretty screwed over by Jerry when it comes to free agency.

Edited October 19 by WhiteSox2023

[ChiSoxFanMike]

Anyone have info on him?

[Buehrle>Wood]

27 minutes ago, ChiSoxFanMike said:

Anyone have info on him?

Sounds like he will be pitching coach for one of the affiliates.

[Lip Man 1]

2 hours ago, WestEddy said:

Reinsdorf has spent in the past. He's just not invested wisely, then stopped short when that one big signing could have put them over the top for a period. I'll agree with that. And I'd also agree that they're in a self-induced cash crisis that severely limits their ability to play with the big boys right now. 

I don't think Getz is boy wonder, or anything. He's delivered two pretty pedestrian bullpens. Maybe Katz played a part in some of that. But letting Mike Shirley do his job, letting Bannister, Fuller and Venable do theirs, I think they start this offseason as a 70 win team, and the choices they make determine where in the 70's they wind up. 

I still say it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of things went right, and they won 82, or something like that. Just shoring up the bullpen could give them a couple of wins. Antonacci outplaying Meidroth/Mead and becoming a regular, B. Monty pushing Benny out of the OF mix, Schultz could pull a Colson and start looking like the pitcher he's supposed to be in the majors - pushing Cannon out of the rotation. I'm not guaranteeing it, just saying I wouldn't think I was living in an alternate reality if a handful of things went right for a change, and they were a .500 team. 

They played better after the All Star Break, that's well and good but it was still below .500.

Sorry I don't have your faith for three primary reasons.

1. JR is till the owner and with labor unrest he's not taking any risks

2. Getz has shown to be poor at allocating whatever resources JR allows him to spend.

3. As far as on the field the pitching staff is brutal. Period. Very little starting pitching and a bullpen that the past two years has been the worst in baseball especially at blowing late leads. How do you get to 70 wins with that?

You're counting on Getz to somehow make better choices in that area then what we've seen, well.. time will tell.

Personally I expect more of the same, cast off's, retreads, has been's, injury prone guys and over 30 guys just trying to hang on and get a paycheck.

Not exactly a recipe for winning is it or even getting to .500.

But again, time will tell.