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11 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

I really don't want to hear about how great the Brewers' org is. Beat the Dodgers.

The Dodgers have like 3x the payroll. At some point, talent wins over whatever the Brewers have. 

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2 minutes ago, chw42 said:

The Dodgers have like 4x the payroll. At some point, talent wins over whatever the Brewers have. 

They're a baseball team. Compete. They get the extra draft choices, the extra international draft pool. Billionaires are billionaires. They have the entire tax code handed to them on a silver platter. We scream about how cheap Reinsdorf is, then the Brewers should be throwing the $600M contracts at everyone. They have all of Wisconsin as a fan base. 

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1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

I really don't want to hear about how great the Brewers' org is. Beat the Dodgers.

Shouldn't that also mean the White Sox have no reason to be NOT be competitive in the "poorest" (payrolls and media c rights deals/market size) MLB division overall?

 

Cards and Cubs at $350 million combined.

Detroit just ahead of StL.

Brewers second best team in baseball at $115 million.

Reds/Pirates equivalent to Twins/White Sox entering this offseason, with the Reds also a playoff team. 

Guardians also extremely competitive based on $$$/team win...similar to Milwaukee.

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"You already know which one won.

Even if you adjust Ohtani's heavily deferred $700 million contract for inflation, that four-man Dodgers rotation collectively makes more than the entire Brewers $123 million roster. The smallest of those four contracts (Glasnow's five-year, $137 million deal) would still obliterate the Brewers' largest contract ever for a pitcher (Matt Garza, four years and $50 million).

Brewers manager Pat Murphy, fond of calling his very talented roster the "Average Joes," leaned into that dichotomy throughout the series, at one point claiming that some Dodgers players couldn't name more than eight players on his roster. It possibly became a self-fulfilling prophecy, as the Dodgers absolutely looked and acted like the more talented team.

Back-to-back Dodgers titles would mean money works, even if plenty of other high-spending teams — the Dodgers included — have struggled to dominate like what L.A. is doing now. The New York Mets, MLB's second-largest payroll, failed to make the postseason. The New York Yankees, with the third-largest payroll, have won only one title since 2000 and crashed out hard in the ALDS."

yahoo.com/sports

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Shohei Ohtani and the most dominant MLB playoff game ever

Jeff Passan article

After the game, Roberts kept his comments short and impactful. He hasn’t forgotten the critics who claimed the Dodgers were “ruining baseball,” and he made it clear his team intends to do exactly that in the World Series.

“Before this season started, they said the Dodgers are ruining baseball. Let's get four more wins and really ruin baseball,” Roberts said on the air.

The Dodgers are red hot right now, and that’s exactly what October baseball is all about. Their focus is crystal clear: one singular goal — to “ruin baseball.”

www.si.com

 

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19 hours ago, WestEddy said:

They're a baseball team. Compete. They get the extra draft choices, the extra international draft pool. Billionaires are billionaires. They have the entire tax code handed to them on a silver platter. We scream about how cheap Reinsdorf is, then the Brewers should be throwing the $600M contracts at everyone. They have all of Wisconsin as a fan base. 

The Dodgers' TV deal alone is worth something like $8B.  There's no way in hell the Brewers would ever get a $8B TV deal in the State of Wisconsin.  And that doesn't even get into other revenue streams like corporate sponsorships that just aren't comparable in Wisconsin than in Southern California.  This ain't the Packers going up against the Rams in the NFL.

You can shout that the Brewers should be handing $600M in contracts all you want, but it doesn't make it any more realistic.

The Brewers along with the Guardians and the Rays are the best-run, most successful small market teams.  What you see from them is the best you're going to get in MLB.  They're not a failure, their franchise is a success story.   MLB's competitive balance is what is a failure.  

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20 hours ago, kitekrazy said:

the NL version of the Rays

The Rays?  You mean the team that has won 2 pennants in the last 17 years with a small fanbase, a terrible stadium, and chronically low attendance? 

I know of another team that has won only 2 pennants over the last century.   Their fans shouldn't be casting too much shade on the success of the Rays.  

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Dodgers have figured out that spending a bunch of money on analytics and having the most advanced preparation tech for their players is what really matters in today's Pro Baseball 

Dodgers are basically beating everyone with the most expensive TI Calculators

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2 hours ago, joejoesox said:

Dodgers have figured out that spending a bunch of money on analytics and having the most advanced preparation tech for their players is what really matters in today's Pro Baseball 

Dodgers are basically beating everyone with the most expensive TI Calculators

And, you know, straight-up buying the most talented players available. I would say that’s probably more important.

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Paying Ohtani on a huge deferred contract sucks.  Nobody else could get away with that s%*# and it allows them to be less affected by the luxury tax and keep on adding Kyle Tucker types 

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4 hours ago, Milkman delivers said:

And, you know, straight-up buying the most talented players available. I would say that’s probably more important.

They aren't the only team blasting payroll through the ceiling. Of course it helps, but that isn't the sole reason

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Wilson's made a few questionable pitching decisions in the playoffs and it finally bites him. Bazardo's been their 3rd best reliever in the playoffs and he went to him when he needed to go Brash or Muñoz. It cost them the game. 

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On 10/19/2025 at 1:49 AM, joejoesox said:

They aren't the only team blasting payroll through the ceiling. Of course it helps, but that isn't the sole reason

 

On 10/19/2025 at 12:00 PM, Milkman delivers said:

Not arguing that, but it is the most important thing.

It looks to me that there's really about a dozen major market teams that can spend like crazy and land elite free agents to astronomical contracts.  

Yankees, Mets, Dodgers, Phillies, Red Sox, Braves, Astros, Rangers, Cubs, Angels, Padres, Giants, Blue Jays.

I actually counted 13.  These are all major market teams that have enormous revenue streams....and yes, that includes Atlanta and Boston due to their massive fan bases and the size of their overall market.  San Diego is probably the one team that doesn't neatly fit into the major market status in this list.  Sort of a unique situation there where their market not being super huge as it's blocked in by LA, the ocean, Mexico, and desert.

How many times has a team not on this list won the World Series in the last 20 seasons?  Four.  Major markets have won 16 out of the last 20 titles.  The only small market team to win in the last 2 decades was the Royals.  I'd argue that the Nats are a medium market team and that the Cards were a medium market team back when they won 2 titles, though with the collapse of RSN money, St. Louis is sliding into small market status.  

No, being able to spend a huge amount on payroll doesn't guarantee championships (hello Angels and Mets) and teams do have to invest in player development, but it's clear to me that being a major market team DOES matter and it is the biggest factor in success.  

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On 10/23/2025 at 2:57 AM, 77 Hitmen said:

 

It looks to me that there's really about a dozen major market teams that can spend like crazy and land elite free agents to astronomical contracts.  

Yankees, Mets, Dodgers, Phillies, Red Sox, Braves, Astros, Rangers, Cubs, Angels, Padres, Giants, Blue Jays.

I actually counted 13.  These are all major market teams that have enormous revenue streams....and yes, that includes Atlanta and Boston due to their massive fan bases and the size of their overall market.  San Diego is probably the one team that doesn't neatly fit into the major market status in this list.  Sort of a unique situation there where their market not being super huge as it's blocked in by LA, the ocean, Mexico, and desert.

How many times has a team not on this list won the World Series in the last 20 seasons?  Four.  Major markets have won 16 out of the last 20 titles.  The only small market team to win in the last 2 decades was the Royals.  I'd argue that the Nats are a medium market team and that the Cards were a medium market team back when they won 2 titles, though with the collapse of RSN money, St. Louis is sliding into small market status.  

No, being able to spend a huge amount on payroll doesn't guarantee championships (hello Angels and Mets) and teams do have to invest in player development, but it's clear to me that being a major market team DOES matter and it is the biggest factor in success.  

Even with SD, have gone down from $325 million to around $200 this year and will likely shed at least 3/4 in Arraez King Cease Suarez in free agency.

So looking at $160-180 million in payroll.

Still punching above their market size though.

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