WestEddy Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 29 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: At that rate, he would need to play around 150 games to round up to 2. Or just normalize his post-ASG hot streak and iron out some of the slumps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 29 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Or just normalize his post-ASG hot streak and iron out some of the slumps. Yeah, but those slumps happen for a reason — there isn’t a slider away that he won’t swing at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 59 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Or just normalize his post-ASG hot streak and iron out some of the slumps. He's got about 1000 ABs of being a decently below average hitter. That IS kind of normal according to his stats. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 40 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Yeah, but those slumps happen for a reason — there isn’t a slider away that he won’t swing at. Sure. But it's his age 28 season coming up. His prime. It wouldn't take much, stay healthy OR mature a bit as a hitter, and he's worth his contract. If Teel, C. Monty, Vargas, Sosa, Brooks, Quero, Meidroth, Antonacci - a few of these guys get just a little better, maybe Robert doesn't press as much thinking he has to hit a 5-run HR every time up. He did just put up his highest walk rate, and lowest K-rate since 2022. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 23 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: He's got about 1000 ABs of being a decently below average hitter. That IS kind of normal according to his stats. I agree with you that he is now a 1.4 bWAR/85 RC+ over 100 games CF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 42 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Sure. But it's his age 28 season coming up. His prime. It wouldn't take much, stay healthy OR mature a bit as a hitter, and he's worth his contract. If Teel, C. Monty, Vargas, Sosa, Brooks, Quero, Meidroth, Antonacci - a few of these guys get just a little better, maybe Robert doesn't press as much thinking he has to hit a 5-run HR every time up. He did just put up his highest walk rate, and lowest K-rate since 2022. Hopefully that happens and they can salvage some value from him. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthChicagoBorn Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 I'm glad they picked up his contract. He's still my favorite player on the team right now. I hope he regains his all star form. I am also excited about Montgomery. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 I choose to evaluate this in the narrow setting of wanting to see the White Sox win as many games as possible as soon as possible. Strikes me as unlikely the Sox had any plan B available that would outproduce Robert next year. Having another option year gives some upside if he breaks out again. And Luis is a career White Sox who I just want good things to happen for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 54 minutes ago, Jake said: I choose to evaluate this in the narrow setting of wanting to see the White Sox win as many games as possible as soon as possible. Strikes me as unlikely the Sox had any plan B available that would outproduce Robert next year. Having another option year gives some upside if he breaks out again. And Luis is a career White Sox who I just want good things to happen for. I don't think "winning as many games as possible as soon as possible" is their goal for next season. I think they would like to improve similarly to this season over last. Development is still their primary goal for next season. They probably don't want to take on money beyond next season either so will double-down on development. I do think they will spend money in free agency, but it will be more bargain shopping on 1 year deals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 3 hours ago, WestEddy said: Sure. But it's his age 28 season coming up. His prime. It wouldn't take much, stay healthy OR mature a bit as a hitter, and he's worth his contract. If Teel, C. Monty, Vargas, Sosa, Brooks, Quero, Meidroth, Antonacci - a few of these guys get just a little better, maybe Robert doesn't press as much thinking he has to hit a 5-run HR every time up. He did just put up his highest walk rate, and lowest K-rate since 2022. I do agree with this. He should have his best chance to perform next season, assuming health, with the young hitters they have around him. They will need to manage his playing time (every 5th day or so, he's off or at DH), but this will it. Play well and you're likely traded at the deadline. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 3 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: He's got about 1000 ABs of being a decently below average hitter. That IS kind of normal according to his stats. Also true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 4 hours ago, WestEddy said: Or just normalize his post-ASG hot streak and iron out some of the slumps. It's hard for me to make that jump without seeing him perform. He's not disciplined at the plate. I don't discount having better players around him could help him to get better pitches to hit. Based on his history, it's hard to see him both stay healthy and perform though, but he'll have better talent around him and should start the season healthy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 1 hour ago, Jake said: I choose to evaluate this in the narrow setting of wanting to see the White Sox win as many games as possible as soon as possible. Strikes me as unlikely the Sox had any plan B available that would outproduce Robert next year. Having another option year gives some upside if he breaks out again. And Luis is a career White Sox who I just want good things to happen for. I will be honest, the Sox are in a position where they need developmental wins more than the do in season wins. They have a roster to fill for their next playoff team, and they need to start taking the developmental pains of playing the young guys. Heck the Sox season turned around last season when they quit playing the clowns, and started playing the kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 (edited) 20 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: I will be honest, the Sox are in a position where they need developmental wins more than the do in season wins. They have a roster to fill for their next playoff team, and they need to start taking the developmental pains of playing the young guys. Heck the Sox season turned around last season when they quit playing the clowns, and started playing the kids. I wonder if I'll live to see that. Somewhere they need to get better without trading elite and do it on their own. I don't think pattern is gonna stop. Edited November 6 by kitekrazy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 (edited) Funny what a year does. A year ago people were arguing with me as they contended Luis Robert was much more valuable than Cody Bellinger (much higher ceiling, younger, better production rates when healthy, etc). Now some are debating whether Luis is worth $20M while Cody is projected to earn $165M in free agency this winter. Edited November 6 by JUSTgottaBELIEVE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 (edited) 1 hour ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Funny what a year does. A year ago people were arguing with me as they contended Luis Robert was much more valuable than Cody Bellinger (much higher ceiling, younger, better production rates when healthy, etc). Now some are debating whether Luis is worth $20M while Cody is projected to earn $165M in free agency this winter. At this point, Getz is no different than us fans. You know he is basically just crossing his fingers, hoping Robert can stay healthy, and has a productive Spring Training and/or first half. There is no one left in the cupboard to trade for any prospects of note. Edited November 6 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 1 hour ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Funny what a year does. A year ago people were arguing with me as they contended Luis Robert was much more valuable than Cody Bellinger (much higher ceiling, younger, better production rates when healthy, etc). Now some are debating whether Luis is worth $20M while Cody is projected to earn $165M in free agency this winter. Not realizing that things change in a year isn't the flex you think it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 38 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: At this point, Getz is no different than us fans. You know he is basically just crossing his fingers, hoping Robert can stay healthy, and has a productive Spring Training and/or first half. There is no one left in the cupboard to trade for any prospects of note. they don't have a CF to replace him. The trade frenzy people hope he can be moved at the deadline despite 2027 in ? and we can have another Meade or some other non prospect that isn't much different then letting him walk unless you are into AA filler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 2 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Funny what a year does. A year ago people were arguing with me as they contended Luis Robert was much more valuable than Cody Bellinger (much higher ceiling, younger, better production rates when healthy, etc). Now some are debating whether Luis is worth $20M while Cody is projected to earn $165M in free agency this winter. If your argument is based on fan emotions and purely Robert's CF defense, sure, but fWAR from 2021-2025 isn't even close. And a good part of that WAR is based on actually playing 150+ games per year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 12 minutes ago, kitekrazy said: they don't have a CF to replace him. The trade frenzy people hope he can be moved at the deadline despite 2027 in ? and we can have another Meade or some other non prospect that isn't much different then letting him walk unless you are into AA filler. They're trying to project Braden there, but he lacks the pure sprint speed and has a protypical RFer's arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 4 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Not realizing that things change in a year isn't the flex you think it is. Actually, 2025 Robert is exactly what I expected him to be - injury prone, tons of tools but extremely inconsistent. You were one of the ones underrating Bellinger and/or overrating Robert so you should probably sit this one out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 45 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Actually, 2025 Robert is exactly what I expected him to be - injury prone, tons of tools but extremely inconsistent. You were one of the ones underrating Bellinger and/or overrating Robert so you should probably sit this one out. He WAS more valuable then. He isn't today. This isn't that hard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 19 hours ago, caulfield12 said: They're trying to project Braden there, but he lacks the pure sprint speed and has a protypical RFer's arm. He's not even a close 2nd to Robert in CF. Walking Robert is also like giving up a double. With Getz into slap hitters team speed doesn't seem to be a priority either. Baserunning will be neglected forever in this organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 On 11/6/2025 at 10:44 AM, WestEddy said: Sure. But it's his age 28 season coming up. His prime. Funny how we consider age 26-29 a hitters prime now. Anything after 30, yawn. Anything under 26 and he's been rushed. I think we need a do over and get rid of all analytics. Can u imaging Pete Rose. nowadays? He'd have to lift and pull to make a roster. All those incredible oppo field hits and hustle on the basepaths would mean little to nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 14 minutes ago, greg775 said: Funny how we consider age 26-29 a hitters prime now. Anything after 30, yawn. Anything under 26 and he's been rushed. I think we need a do over and get rid of all analytics. Can u imaging Pete Rose. nowadays? He'd have to lift and pull to make a roster. All those incredible oppo field hits and hustle on the basepaths would mean little to nothing. Remember that roids, coke, and amphetamines were big in baseball back in that era. That kept those 30+ year old players motoring. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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