White Sox to hire Derek Shomon as hitting coach, Zach Bove as pitching coach per James Fegan

[Dick Allen]

3 hours ago, WestEddy said:

So then there's probably no point in getting angry at posts that aren't even aimed at you. 

It was weird when Hahn fell into a Royals' rut, signing a bunch of ex-Royals' players, then targeting ex-Royals' front office types, of which Getz was one. Once Getz was promoted, I didn't think him bringing over a couple of Royals' guys was weird, as they were probably dudes he trusted at the onset of his front office career. Since he's gotten settled, he's picked guys away from the Giants, Rangers, Orioles, Marlins, Angels, Brewers and D-backs. That's without even looking it up. Who are even Royals guys at this point? Gene Watson and Jin Wong? One would have as strong an argument saying Getz' hires suck because too many guys have last names that begin with W. 

This isn't even being addressed to you, as you've said you've not made this complaint. 

If you think the Bove and Shomon hires suck, rip away at them. We're all reading Caulfield's tangential Yahoo articles, and my odd internet findings for any baseball talk. But complaining about hiring the first guy away from the Royals in two years, after a lengthy interview marathon - just because he was on the Royals is silly. I mean, if they hired the guy who gave Tyler Skaggs the drugs that killed him, and put him in charge of White Sox pharmaceuticals, then yeah, that would be an incredibly dumb hire. If the White Sox hired Brad Aldrich as video coach after all his BS, yeah, fire away. Tino Martinez would have been a really bad hitting coach hire. 

I think that, for the goal Getz has stated and repeated, they have the right people in place. The fixes that C. Monty and Vargas grew into are one bit of evidence. Bonemer shooting into the top 100 is another. Leasure, the Smiths, Davis Martin, Vasil, more good development. I get your record-based opinion. I disagree. I'll leave it at that. 

The problem is we’ve recently heard it all before, and it has led from supposedly being in a championship window to one of the worst 3 season stretches in the history of the league. I don’t let it run my life, like it may have 20 years ago, but White Sox fans have every reason and right to be pissed off, and to think their favorite team is run by clowns.

Edited November 16 by Dick Allen

[WestEddy]

5 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

The problem is we’ve recently heard it all before, and it has led from supposedly being in a championship window to one of the worst 3 season stretches in the history of the league.

It's a good thing they changed up the front office after the first of those 3 seasons when they recognized they were about to bottom out. 

Again, criticize the hires all you want. This convo was more aimed at the drive-bys that reason that a Royal resume spot ties into a decade old, intentional copying of another organization, where all of the decision makers are gone. Having "heard it all before" or being angry over losing doesn't somehow make pallid, wrong arguments magically factual. 

[southsider2k5]

4 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

It's a good thing they changed up the front office after the first of those 3 seasons when they recognized they were about to bottom out. 

Again, criticize the hires all you want. This convo was more aimed at the drive-bys that reason that a Royal resume spot ties into a decade old, intentional copying of another organization, where all of the decision makers are gone. Having "heard it all before" or being angry over losing doesn't somehow make pallid, wrong arguments magically factual. 

And neither does the "everything is different now!" crowd get to magic wand away the last few years mean that things are actually better, until some actual results show it.

[WestEddy]

32 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

The Royals to me are not the model to follow. If you insist of targeting people from small franchises the Guardians and Brewers are much better choices.  

And they're not following the "Royals' model". They picked an assistant who is into the types of tech and stats-based coaching techniques the Sox are delving into, now. The Royals just did have pretty good success bringing a pitching staff along, and Bove was part of that. 

And really, targeting and over-paying Yankee coaching cast-offs would be as bad as what you suggest the White Sox are still doing with Royals' employees, which they aren't. 

[WhiteSox2023]

5 hours ago, Dick Allen said:

The record shows the White Sox have hired the wrong people. If they can lose 100 again in 2026 , which would be a 2 game improvement, they will be the first team in 90 years to lose at least 100 4 years in a row. All those bad organizations over the years haven’t been able to do it, but the Sox might. The fact that it doesn’t bother you makes you the meatball fan with extra sauce.

You can go back through my posts, and you’ll see, I don’t really care what teams coaches come from. The Dodgers probably have some bad coaches in their organization, the Rockies probably have a couple of good ones. The fact that they keep going after KC guys is weird. They haven’t been very good for a long time. Even the last 2 years where it supposedly is turned around, is thanks to the White Sox. They are below .500  vs. everyone else.

The funny thing is, the guy hiring these other coaches from crappy teams like the Royals is the undeserved hire to begin with.  He should have never been promoted to GM and he should’ve been canned after his embarrassing Cease trade.

 

[southsider2k5]

4 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

The funny thing is, the guy hiring these other coaches from crappy teams like the Royals is the undeserved hire to begin with.  He should have never been promoted to GM and he should’ve been canned after his embarrassing Cease trade.

 

Which is quite literally Example #1 of why I believe things AREN'T different. The same guy is at the top, ready to shove his nose in and blow something up because he doesn't believe in whatever it is.

The "Royals" thing has become sort of a meme, but so has the whole "different" thing.  Getting kicked in the nuts instead of the knee is definitely different, but that doesn't make it better, and definitely not good.  

I want to see better, not different. We still have a loooooong way to go for that.  

[WestEddy]

31 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Which is quite literally Example #1 of why I believe things AREN'T different. The same guy is at the top, ready to shove his nose in and blow something up because he doesn't believe in whatever it is.

The "Royals" thing has become sort of a meme, but so has the whole "different" thing.  Getting kicked in the nuts instead of the knee is definitely different, but that doesn't make it better, and definitely not good.  

I want to see better, not different. We still have a loooooong way to go for that.  

I sure hope you find these people who are saying that the last 3 years didn't happen and say all your stuff to them. I've pretty much stopped paying attention to the teams I felt "kicked in the nuts" by. At some point, it's gotta be like the bear tapping you on the shoulder and saying, "...you're not really in this for the hunting, are you?"

The front office situation is different. If you don't recognize a different attitude, that's on you. We'll see what happens if Colson Montgomery hits a months long slump, or Jacob Gonzalez can't hack the bigs, but I get the impression they're not going to run a first rounder out there for 5 years who can't even produce at the major league average.

[southsider2k5]

23 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

I sure hope you find these people who are saying that the last 3 years didn't happen and say all your stuff to them. I've pretty much stopped paying attention to the teams I felt "kicked in the nuts" by. At some point, it's gotta be like the bear tapping you on the shoulder and saying, "...you're not really in this for the hunting, are you?"

The front office situation is different. If you don't recognize a different attitude, that's on you. We'll see what happens if Colson Montgomery hits a months long slump, or Jacob Gonzalez can't hack the bigs, but I get the impression they're not going to run a first rounder out there for 5 years who can't even produce at the major league average.

The idea that believing everything you are told somehow makes you better is laughable, at best.

And if you read anything at all I wrote, different isn't better.  We haven't seen better yet.

And finally, the man primarily responsible for destroying the last rebuild is still in charge, and attitude seems like the someone he has had since 1980.

[WestEddy]

26 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

The idea that believing everything you are told somehow makes you better is laughable, at best.

And if you read anything at all I wrote, different isn't better.  We haven't seen better yet.

And finally, the man primarily responsible for destroying the last rebuild is still in charge, and attitude seems like the someone he has had since 1980.

You're the one saying that makes me better than you, and I appreciate that. But pretending everything you read is an outright lie is just the other side of the same coin as believing everything. What existed was bad. What is going on now is different. That's better than bad. So yes you have seen better. I guess that's why you think I'm better because I'm different. 

We'll see if Reinsdorf blows up this rebuild a year before selling to Ishbia. That would be really mean. 

[southsider2k5]

45 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

You're the one saying that makes me better than you, and I appreciate that. But pretending everything you read is an outright lie is just the other side of the same coin as believing everything. What existed was bad. What is going on now is different. That's better than bad. So yes you have seen better. I guess that's why you think I'm better because I'm different. 

We'll see if Reinsdorf blows up this rebuild a year before selling to Ishbia. That would be really mean. 

You were the one telling us previously that we should have all seen through Getz's previous lies.  

[caulfield12]

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

I sure hope you find these people who are saying that the last 3 years didn't happen and say all your stuff to them. I've pretty much stopped paying attention to the teams I felt "kicked in the nuts" by. At some point, it's gotta be like the bear tapping you on the shoulder and saying, "...you're not really in this for the hunting, are you?"

The front office situation is different. If you don't recognize a different attitude, that's on you. We'll see what happens if Colson Montgomery hits a months long slump, or Jacob Gonzalez can't hack the bigs, but I get the impression they're not going to run a first rounder out there for 5 years who can't even produce at the major league average.

The odds of Gonzalez making the big leagues as a regular are 5-10% at best.

Just doesn't possess any real plus tools.

Even Meidroth has his offensive approach, contact ability and theoretically higher OBP that differentiates him.

[Dick Allen]

13 hours ago, WestEddy said:

It's a good thing they changed up the front office after the first of those 3 seasons when they recognized they were about to bottom out. 

Again, criticize the hires all you want. This convo was more aimed at the drive-bys that reason that a Royal resume spot ties into a decade old, intentional copying of another organization, where all of the decision makers are gone. Having "heard it all before" or being angry over losing doesn't somehow make pallid, wrong arguments magically factual. 

They changed up the front office with a guy who was already there. Who according to you had nothing to do with the stink. He just sat there for years doing nothing.  And he was hired so they wouldn’t waste a year. And they didn’t. They set a record for futility.

[Y2Jimmy0]

On 11/11/2025 at 10:06 PM, Bob Sacamano said:

Oops 

 

11 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

The idea that believing everything you are told somehow makes you better is laughable, at best.

And if you read anything at all I wrote, different isn't better.  We haven't seen better yet.

And finally, the man primarily responsible for destroying the last rebuild is still in charge, and attitude seems like the someone he has had since 1980.

Is this in regards to Chris Getz or Reinsdorf? 

4 hours ago, Dick Allen said:

They changed up the front office with a guy who was already there. Who according to you had nothing to do with the stink. He just sat there for years doing nothing.  And he was hired so they wouldn’t waste a year. And they didn’t. They set a record for futility.

He was an internal hire and not one I would’ve made. Every move he’s made has been akin to an outside hire though at least. 

[Dick Allen]

1 hour ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

 

Is this in regards to Chris Getz or Reinsdorf? 

He was an internal hire and not one I would’ve made. Every move he’s made has been akin to an outside hire though at least. 

Perhaps, but things were trending that way with KW and RH. Still need to hire the right people, and while there is no doubt anyone would be hamstrung with this owner, it’s Getz’s willingness to be a yes  man that got him hired,

[southsider2k5]

1 hour ago, Dick Allen said:

Perhaps, but things were trending that way with KW and RH. Still need to hire the right people, and while there is no doubt anyone would be hamstrung with this owner, it’s Getz’s willingness to be a yes  man that got him hired,

And then Jerry forced him to hire Tony instead of who he wanted, as well as not allowing Harper or Machado.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

On 11/15/2025 at 2:22 PM, Dick Allen said:

Unfortunately, their hiring track record doesn’t bring confidence. I’m sorry if you think not buying what they are selling, having a show me don’t tell me attitude, not giving the White Sox any of the benefit of the doubt is meatballism to you, but buying everything that they are selling to me is akin to being in a cult. They lost 102 games 2 years after they were supposedly embarrassed they lost 101, and broke a record for losses  in 2024. They made the GM hire because the owner said they couldn’t waste a year. So far pilfering the Royals coaching staff has lead to 324 losses in 3 years.

How long are you supposed to act like a broken hearted kicked puppy ? 

I'm just trying to represent a fair shake for what they are trying to accomplish while Jerry is estate planning and has little to no interest in spending anything. 

I could just as easily say your side is a doomsday cult. There are always different KoolAids to gulp . One is for living and one is for dying . I'd rather not be a part of the Sox Jonestown. 

The term drinking the KoolAid  actually became part of our lexicon to mean blind allegiance to a doomed cause after the Jonestown Incident . Odd to think it applies to having hope or belief that things could be getting better even without much financing or help from ownership. Pity Party On Garths ! 

Edited November 19 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

On 11/5/2025 at 11:12 AM, GreenSox said:

I don’t know whether these guys can coach; but I like their resumes/profile.  And some coaching churn is always healthy.  

As a fan that's all Im implying you do. Look at the resume and try to understand why they were hired. Getz isnt trying to destroy the Sox. He saw good things going on with the Royals pitching staff and the Marlins hitters by some young coaches . They interviewed them, apparently thought they fit into their own collaborate and communicate ideas for a modernized front office and unified advanced coaching. 

When people blindly knock something for stupid reasons like where he came from that's meatball fandom . Understanding what Getz is trying to accomplish doesnt necessarily mean you like the hire . It also doesnt mean I cry about it either without cause. I can't stop fans from flaunting their ignorance.  It's fun to point out though. 

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

On 11/17/2025 at 5:20 AM, Dick Allen said:

Perhaps, but things were trending that way with KW and RH. Still need to hire the right people, and while there is no doubt anyone would be hamstrung with this owner, it’s Getz’s willingness to be a yes  man that got him hired,

Calling Getz a Yes man is what got him hired is a gross over simplification unless you can give me examples for things Jerry did the Getz was in favor of. Getz' sin was being a part of an unsuccessful organization and surviving the initial purge and then continuing the purge while fans said he was guilty by association because he couldnt Save Our Sox all by himself. 

Yes he was an in house and likely cheap hire. But if you speak up to the owner and likely say that KW and Hahn made insular decisions and left you out of decision making processes and that in their position that you would have a more collaborative and communicative process for decision making  does that make you a Yes Man or just a guy who rather have seen things done differently ? 

Under JR' current ownership philosophy of staying out of debt so his sons can sell after his death without incurring large taxes Getz is dealing with a Reinsdorf no other GM of the Sox has ever dealt with before. So yes its a sad state of affairs and a slow climb from the abyss and could stall because prospects will fail and looking for hidden gems among other teams failed prospects and from Rule 5 picks is unlikely to be a winning strategy no matter who you hire as coaches. 

I just want to see some upwards movement towards .500 before the Ishbia's take over . But without some money you need a lot of draft picks to succeed and even Tampa Bay despite years of doing about as well as they could without much money never won a World Series. I think currently Getz is getting less than Tampa Bay because they get no competitive balance help from the league. It's a no win situation but its not an I give up situation either.

Getz and his crew are unlikely to survive when new ownership arrives even if he gets the Sox above .500 at some point. As I said he's in a no win situation. So it's hard for me to scapegoat him . Everything he's doing is on a small scale while the rest of the GMs try to fleece him knowing the Sox are no threat unless they give him prospects who succeed.

 

Edited November 19 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[caulfield12]

16 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Calling Getz a Yes man is what got him hired is a gross over simplification unless you can give me examples for things Jerry did the Getz was in favor of. Getz' sin was being a part of an unsuccessful organization and surviving the initial purge and then continuing the purge while fans said he was guilty by association because he couldnt Save Our Sox all by himself. 

Yes he was an in house and likely cheap hire. But if you speak up to the owner and likely say that KW and Hahn made insular decisions and left you out of decision making processes and that in their position that you would have a more collaborative and communicative process for decision making  does that make you a Yes Man or just a guy who rather have seen things done differently ? 

Under JR' current ownership philosophy of staying out of debt so his sons can sell after his death without incurring large taxes Getz is dealing with a Reinsdorf no other GM of the Sox has ever dealt with before. So yes its a sad state of affairs and a slow climb from the abyss and could stall because prospects will fail and looking for hidden gems among other teams failed prospects and from Rule 5 picks is unlikely to be a winning strategy no matter who you hire as coaches. 

I just want to see some upwards movement towards .500 before the Ishbia's take over . But without some money you need a lot of draft picks to succeed and even Tampa Bay despite years of doing about as well as they could without much money never got to a World Series. I think currently Getz is getting less than Tampa Bay because they get no competitive balance help from the league. It's a no win situation but its not an I give up situation either.

Getz and his crew are unlikely to survive when new ownership arrives even if he gets the Sox above .500 at some point. As I said he's in a no win situation. So it's hard for me to scapegoat him . Everything he's doing is on a small scale while the rest of the GMs try to fleece him knowing the Sox are no threat unless they give him prospects who succeed.

 

2008 and 2020 never happened for TB?

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

12 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

2008 and 2020 never happened for TB?

Sorry bro never won a World Series

[WestEddy]

2 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Getz and his crew are unlikely to survive when new ownership arrives even if he gets the Sox above .500 at some point. As I said he's in a no win situation. So it's hard for me to scapegoat him . Everything he's doing is on a small scale while the rest of the GMs try to fleece him knowing the Sox are no threat unless they give him prospects who succeed.

I'm not so sure about that. If Getz revamps the entire front office, gets international producing again, starts popping major leaguers out of the minor league system, wins some games, I'm not sure why Ish would rip all that out and start over. I can't imagine he's not being briefed on how Getz is proceeding. 

[WestEddy]

1 hour ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Sorry bro never won a World Series

Apparently, 2020 and 2021 never happened for the White Sox. Just abject failure. 

[caulfield12]

26 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Apparently, 2020 and 2021 never happened for the White Sox. Just abject failure. 

What good does that do now?

They have a flag flying for 2021?

First division champ in 13 years?

It would have meant a lot more had they actually won a single playoff series to pay off a decade plus of waiting for things to finally turn around.

[WestEddy]

3 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

It would have meant a lot more had they actually won a single playoff series to pay off a decade plus of waiting for things to finally turn around.

Not to you and your ilk, it wouldn't. Playoff appearances only matter for other teams. 

[caulfield12]

3 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Not to you and your ilk, it wouldn't. Playoff appearances only matter for other teams. 

My "ilk" who apparently should be satisfied with beating the Twins in 2008 thanks to Hahn's son calling the coin toss correctly for home field advantage, and three total playoff wins across almost two decades???

Well whoopdeedoo.

Who are you crappin'?

You're getting to be more and more like Don Quixote by the day.