southsider2k5 Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 https://www.mlb.com/amp/news/breaking-down-white-sox-four-big-offseason-decisions.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 Where does it end? Trade Vargas Sosa Quero and kick the can further down the road? Taylor before he blows out his elbow? We barely have a first wave of prospects that can fill out 3 positions at 2-3 fWAR or higher. Montgomery's and Teel. For now. Assuming the draft pick is an advanced collegiate hitter, that's 4. B.Carlson might be 3 1/2 to 4 years away, optimistically. Someone in another thread wants to trade Robert and $10 million for god knows what FV player that will even get you...besides more debt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 7 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Where does it end? Trade Vargas Sosa Quero and kick the can further down the road? Taylor before he blows out his elbow? We barely have a first wave of prospects that can fill out 3 positions at 2-3 fWAR or higher. Montgomery's and Teel. For now. Assuming the draft pick is an advanced collegiate hitter, that's 4. B.Carlson might be 3 1/2 to 4 years away, optimistically. Someone in another thread wants to trade Robert and $10 million for god knows what FV player that will even get you...besides more debt. it's obvious to me that they're building for 2030 instead of 2027 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Deep Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 I mean you have to listen.....doesn't mean you have to trade anyone. we are not in a position to hug .230 hitters.........If other teams overvalue him and want to over pay then why not 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 28 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: https://www.mlb.com/amp/news/breaking-down-white-sox-four-big-offseason-decisions.html Oh, this is Scott Merkin taking fan questions, and weighing the pros and cons. Of course they have to listen. I'd assume that Teel, the two Montys and Shane Smith are the only untouchables at the moment. But for the way Vargas gets talked about as a clubhouse leader, and unrealized potential, I'd think they'd have to be blown away by a package to move him. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: https://www.mlb.com/amp/news/breaking-down-white-sox-four-big-offseason-decisions.html Yeah, let’s have Meadiocre replace Vargas who is no great shakes himself but is still better than Meadiocre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zisk Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 I'd trade Vargas at any time. He has a very long swing. Decent defense at 3B isn't going to change that. I'm not saying he's a bum. He may have a season or two where he out peforms. I just can't see him being a core piece on a good team. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 I'd be surprised if Getz traded Vargas. Miguel is really a Getz type of player in my view and his big improvement is a feather in the cap for White Sox player development. Mead is an interesting piece but I wouldn't want to just hand him a starting spot at this point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 20 Author Share Posted November 20 12 minutes ago, Jake said: I'd be surprised if Getz traded Vargas. Miguel is really a Getz type of player in my view and his big improvement is a feather in the cap for White Sox player development. Mead is an interesting piece but I wouldn't want to just hand him a starting spot at this point. I don't see Vargas having the value to make him worth trading rn, to be honest. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 16 minutes ago, Jake said: I'd be surprised if Getz traded Vargas. Miguel is really a Getz type of player in my view and his big improvement is a feather in the cap for White Sox player development. Mead is an interesting piece but I wouldn't want to just hand him a starting spot at this point. 6 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: I don't see Vargas having the value to make him worth trading rn, to be honest. I think these are both true in that Vargas probably means much more to the Sox than he would to another team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 20 Author Share Posted November 20 8 minutes ago, Snopek said: I think these are both true in that Vargas probably means much more to the Sox than he would to another team. That's a great way of saying it as well. Looking around MLB, how many teams 3B or 1B situation is worse than Vargas? How many of those teams would be willing to pay up to get him? I can't imagine that list is very populated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 I'm sure every team is showing interest in every young guy with some talent and projectability on the Sox roster. I really doubt any of them will be traded. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 20 Author Share Posted November 20 5 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: That's a great way of saying it as well. Looking around MLB, how many teams 3B or 1B situation is worse than Vargas? How many of those teams would be willing to pay up to get him? I can't imagine that list is very populated. Looking back to confirm, Vargas ranked 16th of 18 qualified primary 3B's this year with his 1.3 fWAR. The two that trailed were Minny and LAA. Pushing it out to 400 PAs instead of qualified, Vargas sits at 22 of 28, with probably the Mets as the only team being represent as a potential playoff team for 26. (others include LAA, STL-2, MN-2) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 I'd move him if the price is right. I've never really considered Vargas as a player that will be here when this team is ready to compete. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 20 Author Share Posted November 20 Looking at his status, Vargas actually hits arb next year, so I wonder if there is something to his name showing up on a list like this as more of the Sox floating him out there, versus someone actually asking about him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 (edited) 11 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said: I'd move him if the price is right. I've never really considered Vargas as a player that will be here when this team is ready to compete. Or at most, fine regular or backup 1B/3B. I feel like Colson ends up at 3B longterm, with one of the middle infielders in the minors (with possible top pick at SS in 2026) at short. Edited November 20 by Bob Sacamano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 9 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Or at most, fine regular or backup 1B/3B. I feel like Colson ends up at 3B longterm, with one of the middle infielders in the minors (with possible top pick at SS in 2026) at short. I could see that. Vargas doesn't seem to have the bat for 1B, and his defense is too rough at 3B to stick there. Like you said, he's kind of a complementary player rather than a lineup fixture long-term. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 20 Author Share Posted November 20 11 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Or at most, fine regular or backup 1B/3B. I feel like Colson ends up at 3B longterm, with one of the middle infielders in the minors (with possible top pick at SS in 2026) at short. I don't know how long Carlson would take to get here, but I have to imagine we are talking probably 2029 for a raw high school bat, even with his supposed gold glove type skills defensively. Caleb Bonemer is probably more of a late 27 to early 28 track if he keeps going, so I don't think that is a worry in the near future, but could definitely see that happen in a couple of years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 1 hour ago, almagest said: I'm sure every team is showing interest in every young guy with some talent and projectability on the Sox roster. I really doubt any of them will be traded. This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: I don't know how long Carlson would take to get here, but I have to imagine we are talking probably 2029 for a raw high school bat, even with his supposed gold glove type skills defensively. Caleb Bonemer is probably more of a late 27 to early 28 track if he keeps going, so I don't think that is a worry in the near future, but could definitely see that happen in a couple of years. If everything falls into place, which is highly unlikely because not every player 'makes it' - I would say the ideal outcome is Carlson at SS, Bonemer at 3B, and Montgomery in LF. But again, not all these guys are going to pan out, baseball doesn't work like that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 3 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: I don't see Vargas having the value to make him worth trading rn, to be honest. I also don’t see him vastly improving his trade value either. Dude is nothing special, especially if he’s relegated to playing 1B. If a team want to give you something, I’m inclined to take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 20 Author Share Posted November 20 2 hours ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said: If everything falls into place, which is highly unlikely because not every player 'makes it' - I would say the ideal outcome is Carlson at SS, Bonemer at 3B, and Montgomery in LF. But again, not all these guys are going to pan out, baseball doesn't work like that. That's also fair, but there is a decent chance that by the time Carlson is getting here and looking to establish himself, if Montgomery is still a thing, and pans out like he showed in his hot streak, he is looking at a $500 million contract very soon. At the very least, but the time Carlson gets here, he is decently into his arb years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 13 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: That's also fair, but there is a decent chance that by the time Carlson is getting here and looking to establish himself, if Montgomery is still a thing, and pans out like he showed in his hot streak, he is looking at a half $500 million contract very soon. At the very least, but the time Carlson gets here, he is decently into his arb years. Hopefully Ishbia is 100% in charge so we don't need to worry about seeing Montgomery leave. If the Sox land the #1 pick in the lottery, Roch Cholowski is going to make all this moot. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxrwhite Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 I keep reading how good Vargas is defensively. He has a bounce throw to first base, because he can't consistently hit the first baseman in the chest. Sosa is even worse. Niether is going to the minors. Niether is going to ride the bench. Niether is going to suddenly be able to consistently field third or first. One or both will have to eventually go. Montgomery is the future third baseman. Get what you can for one of them now, and the other later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 51 minutes ago, soxrwhite said: I keep reading how good Vargas is defensively. He has a bounce throw to first base, because he can't consistently hit the first baseman in the chest. Sosa is even worse. Niether is going to the minors. Niether is going to ride the bench. Niether is going to suddenly be able to consistently field third or first. One or both will have to eventually go. Montgomery is the future third baseman. Get what you can for one of them now, and the other later. He actually was much better defensively than advertised. He still isn’t the hitter Schriffen makes him out to be. He did have a glorious stretch, but per usual, regression to the mean occurred. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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