WestEddy Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 (edited) Looking at the White Sox trades, they made defense a priority. Derek Hill had a +8 DRS in only 44 games last year in CF. Tanner Murray plays 6 positions and was the Rays Defensive Player of the Year in 2024. Everson Pereira is a plus defender, plays all 3 outfield spots. — Chuck Garfien (@ChuckGarfien) November 22, 2025 As a team, the White Sox ranked last in the majors in defensive runs saved in 2024 (-87). Last season, they improved to 24th (-32). They went 15-36 in one run games. Better defense is one way to win more close games. — Chuck Garfien (@ChuckGarfien) November 22, 2025 Edited November 22 by WestEddy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 39 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: I love watching your opinion of players eb and weave with Getz moves. Month ago Tauch was a part of a 70 win team next year but since Getz nontendered him he must be cooked. I thought Booser was a good pickup, and he turned out to not be. A player not living up to expectations doesn't really change my worldview. I thought Hill would be expendable, turns out, the Sox are keeping him as insurance. Wow, I guess I must turn on Chris Getz and start calling for his firing, huh? LOL. Tauchman - I didn't think he was part of next year's team. The clear reasoning behind not trading him at the deadline has been talked to death. No real mystery there. He had one year of control left. Big deal. I haven't changed any opinions on players, I didn't say the Sox would be a 70 win team next year that Tauchman would be an integral part of. Not sure how my opinions have "eb and weave"ed. Please, make it make sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zisk Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 I know in MLB $900,000 is close to the minimum. But it's still an overpay for Derek Hill. Billy Hamilton didn't die without me noticing did he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxrwhite Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 I like good defense. Good defense helps make good pitching. Defense first "up the middle". Bat first in corner positions both infield and outfield. I mean ya gotta SOME runs don't ya? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 22 Share Posted November 22 3 minutes ago, zisk said: I know in MLB $900,000 is close to the minimum. But it's still an overpay for Derek Hill. Billy Hamilton didn't die without me noticing did he? He’s still hanging around. I think he signed with the Cubs at some point last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoUEvenShift Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 1 hour ago, zisk said: I know in MLB $900,000 is close to the minimum. But it's still an overpay for Derek Hill. Billy Hamilton didn't die without me noticing did he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 2 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said: He’s still hanging around. I think he signed with the Cubs at some point last season. He barely played for them. He's pretty much been in the Mexican league last two seasons. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 (edited) You have to score at least one run to win a game. You're subtracting Robert, for one. Murray and Hill and Pereira (especially in CF) don't project as close to league average hitters for their positions. Pereira ultimately belongs on a corner as he adds weight. Realistically, who the heck is Murray going to start over? Chase Meidroth was one of the few average to slightly above average defenders. And Antonacci likely profiles at second. Take out Sosa/Vargas and that offense is borderline unwatchable until Braden comes up at midseason. Edited November 23 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 20 hours ago, WestEddy said: I thought Booser was a good pickup, and he turned out to not be. A player not living up to expectations doesn't really change my worldview. I thought Hill would be expendable, turns out, the Sox are keeping him as insurance. Wow, I guess I must turn on Chris Getz and start calling for his firing, huh? LOL. Tauchman - I didn't think he was part of next year's team. The clear reasoning behind not trading him at the deadline has been talked to death. No real mystery there. He had one year of control left. Big deal. I haven't changed any opinions on players, I didn't say the Sox would be a 70 win team next year that Tauchman would be an integral part of. Not sure how my opinions have "eb and weave"ed. Please, make it make sense. Pal you literally said in a post one month ago that he was a part of your vision if a 70+ win team next year. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted November 23 Share Posted November 23 17 hours ago, caulfield12 said: You have to score at least one run to win a game. You're subtracting Robert, for one. Murray and Hill and Pereira (especially in CF) don't project as close to league average hitters for their positions. Pereira ultimately belongs on a corner as he adds weight. Realistically, who the heck is Murray going to start over? Chase Meidroth was one of the few average to slightly above average defenders. And Antonacci likely profiles at second. Take out Sosa/Vargas and that offense is borderline unwatchable until Braden comes up at midseason. In an OPP, I said that I think the Sox should get Denzel Clark from Oakland. Put him in CF. And move Robert to RF 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 3 hours ago, Boopa1219 said: In an OPP, I said that I think the Sox should get Denzel Clark from Oakland. Put him in CF. And move Robert to RF The problem there is the bulk of Robert's value comes from playing GG defense in CF at this point... Oakland might just want to hold onto the cheaper Clark after moving on from JJ Bleday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 4 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Pal you literally said in a post one month ago that he was a part of your vision if a 70+ win team next year. @Look at Ray Ray Run is taking that belt to ass lately. You better slow down on owning everyone. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 The funny thing is by touting how Hill Pereira and Murray are so strong defensively...doesn't that also make you wonder why the Sox internally havent been able to draft/identify, coach up or prioritze defense over the years? Most famously, Semien and Narvaez both had to first leave the organization to reach their full potential on that side of the ball. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said: @Look at Ray Ray Run is taking that belt to ass lately. You better slow down on owning everyone. 🤣 You definitely don't want to attract unwanted attention. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 15 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: @Look at Ray Ray Run is taking that belt to ass lately. You better slow down on owning everyone. 🤣 Weird when a dude pulls his own pants down and whips himself. He's pretending he gets to make words mean anything he wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 Ok guys the metaphors are a bit much 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 20 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Pal you literally said in a post one month ago that he was a part of your vision if a 70+ win team next year. Vision? The team literally played at a 70 win pace from the ASB on. I said that if they ran back the same guys and they produced the same, Liptak said they'd be worse. How is that laying out a "vision" that Tauchman is an integral part of next year's 70-win team? Make it make sense!! Maybe explain it to me like I'm 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 30 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Weird when a dude pulls his own pants down and whips himself. He's pretending he gets to make words mean anything he wants. Take the L and move on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 On 11/22/2025 at 5:06 PM, WestEddy said: Unfortunately their bats are awful and will probably nullify their defensive skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 7 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Unfortunately their bats are awful and will probably nullify their defensive skills. Hill probably hits about as well as Michael A. Taylor. Murray most likely hits better than Jacob Amaya. Pereira probably gets a real shot to start, or at least platoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 46 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Hill probably hits about as well as Michael A. Taylor. Murray most likely hits better than Jacob Amaya. Pereira probably gets a real shot to start, or at least platoon. I think Pereira is most likely a platoon bat in right. Who knows if he’ll hit even a little? Hill is no Michael A. Taylor. .200 is an impossible dream for him. I hope they get a lefty swinger who can play some outfield, otherwise Braden will be up no later than May 1. Personally, I am tired of them stocking the team in April with waiver wire fodder, going double digits under .500 and then playing out the string for 5 months. I would love it if they thought coming into the year that they would play close to .500 in April. I do not believe that will be a priority. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 22 minutes ago, Timmy U said: I think Pereira is most likely a platoon bat in right. Who knows if he’ll hit even a little? Hill is no Michael A. Taylor. .200 is an impossible dream for him. I hope they get a lefty swinger who can play some outfield, otherwise Braden will be up no later than May 1. Personally, I am tired of them stocking the team in April with waiver wire fodder, going double digits under .500 and then playing out the string for 5 months. I would love it if they thought coming into the year that they would play close to .500 in April. I do not believe that will be a priority. Certainly not this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 24 Share Posted November 24 To expect Pereira to reproduce Tauchman's first 4 months is just not realistic. I knew Michael A. Taylor. Hill is not and never should be considered a major league starter... any more than one would want Fletcher patrolling CF. Better defense, ofc, but might as well be Brian Simmons in his "dream" offensive life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 On 11/21/2025 at 4:26 PM, CWSpalehoseCWS said: For when Robert gets hurt again. They have no legit CF option. $900K is nothing. The problem is that Hill isn’t a legit major leaguer. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted November 25 Share Posted November 25 "The Chicago White Sox aren't ready to win yet but maybe they can sell Tucker on their vision for the future (kind of like when the San Diego Padres signed Machado coming off a 96-loss season in 2018)." https://global.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/47050123/mlb-2025-26-free-agent-class-superlatives-tucker-bregman-bellinger-verlander Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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