LUIS ROBERT TRADED

[Tony]

12 hours ago, WestEddy said:

"This" vs. nothing. I'll take it. 

Interesting turn...

 

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I've argued all along that right now, he's a 2 WAR/162 games CF. That's worth, what, $15M? I don't think Michael A. Taylor ever made over $5M, and he had a nice, short run of 3+ WAR seasons. Robert has that elite ceiling, I know. Crochet moved quickly, as the league saw his potential as a pitcher and health-wise. The league seems to be telling us they're not going to bite for prospects and taking on Robert's full contract. Or maybe they were just waiting for Taylor and Bellinger to come off the board so they could reassess. 

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I think that's where we are. The league sees Robert as what he's produced in the last 2 seasons, and Getz sees him as the post ASB guy, which means he won't be dealt unless it's for a price that nobody really wants to pay. Which is fine. I look forward to the old Robert awakening and making the league rue their miserly off-season ways. 

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Maybe because entertaining a trade of Robert isn't about the money? If they didn't want to pay him, they could have just let him walk. They have no better options for CF right now, either in AA/AAA or even on the free agent market. It seems like he's their 2026 CF until he isn't. The Reds are in their competitive window. If they want to piddle around over a post-hype prospect and two TJS dudes, then they can enjoy another first round sweep, if they even make the playoffs again. 

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It's probably the most tantalizing off-season trade rumor, so everybody keeps publishing teaser articles about teams kicking the tires on him. 

I'm settling on "Getz really saw Robert as the strongest ceiling of the CF options out there, so kept him for $20M. If somebody wants to suffocate him with prospects, he's all for it, but otherwise, he's got other targets."

 

[WhiteSox2023]

That’s impressive…

Who knew there were so many ways to polish multiple turds?

Edited 2 hours ago by WhiteSox2023

[Baron]

Starting pitching please. So I don't have to see Burke. 

[fathom]

2 minutes ago, Baron said:

Starting pitching please. So I don't have to see Burke. 

Rather see him than Cannon

[Baron]

2 minutes ago, fathom said:

Rather see him than Cannon

I don't want to see either 

[Bob Sacamano]

Didn’t realize Lenyn played winter ball. Wish he would have grabbed an OF glove

[Lip Man 1]

https://soxmachine.com/2026/01/white-sox-trade-luis-robert-jr-to-mets-for-luisangel-acuna-truman-pauley

[Eminor3rd]

13 hours ago, 2Deep said:

Any chance they take the savings from Robert and spend on another outfielder?

This was where they got the Murakami money. 

[WestEddy]

19 minutes ago, Tony said:

Interesting turn...

 

 

I feel seen. Looks like I've pretty much had every take, so which one is the turn? I argue against the "Getz always fails" narrative. Yes, as we look back in the comfort of retrospect, we can ascertain the perfect moment to make the perfect move. 

I wish they got more for Robert. Is anybody claiming that Getz turned down a demonstrably better package for Robert because he's just plain stupid, and fell in love with a pile of garbage instead of opting for the higher ceiling alternative? This is most probably what Robert has been worth for over a year, now. I'm relieved we're not on injury watch. 

[WestEddy]

5 hours ago, Timmy U said:

This trade has me bummed out. There is no way it makes them better in 2026, which means that they feel zero urgency to not lose 100 games for the fourth year in a row. The number of failed prospects they’re hoping to catch lightning with would be very appropriate on a AAA team. It seems like they are comfortable running out absolute crap teams for the foreseeable future as long as they can have one of the three lowest payrolls in the league. 

Robert contributed a win and a half each of the last two years. Trading him certainly doesn't create a hole in the lineup. 

[ChiSox59]

This sucks.  I feel like the Sox were shaping up to be a relatively interesting offensive team. Robert had a smidge of protection for the first time in forever.

I think this outcome is better than simply declining the option and paying Robert $2M to go away, but I would have just held Robert.  If he had a good season, the Sox could have been watchable and interesting-ish. If he didn't, we don't have Acuna - who was likely to be DFA or dumped for nothing in 2 months anyway as he is out of options. There is not a single player available for $20M that has the upside of Luis Robert, or could make the White Sox a better team instead of Robert.  All this did was make the Sox worse, and lower the already brutally low payroll. 

I am pissed. Not at the return.  Not that the Sox didn't time the market perfectly and trade him post-2023. But because it just feels like the Sox are a considerably worse team today than yesterday. And FFS, I am so ready to watch watchable baseball. 

Edited 1 hour ago by ChiSox59

[Eminor3rd]

There’s nothing here at all. A utility player that’s already out of options. The Sox will use him, but not to win games. From a baseball perspective, if this is the best return, you roll the dice on a deadline deal every time.

Which unfortunately supports the idea that this was a financial decision. All that crap about getting Jerry onboard with the Murakami vision looks made up. Really it was that Getz got permission to reallocate the money to Murakami instead of straight up save it.

2026: White Sox OD payroll trending to just a hair over $60M

[WhiteSox2023]

13 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

I feel seen. Looks like I've pretty much had every take, so which one is the turn? I argue against the "Getz always fails" narrative. Yes, as we look back in the comfort of retrospect, we can ascertain the perfect moment to make the perfect move. 

I wish they got more for Robert. Is anybody claiming that Getz turned down a demonstrably better package for Robert because he's just plain stupid, and fell in love with a pile of garbage instead of opting for the higher ceiling alternative? This is most probably what Robert has been worth for over a year, now. I'm relieved we're not on injury watch. 

So the argument is that we didn’t know when the perfect moment to trade Robert was, but with the benefit of hindsight we do now?

Robert finished the best season in his career at the end of the 2023 season.  Getz was promoted to GM on August 2023.  In his first offseason, he had already started his rebuild — he signed some mediocre free agents and traded Cease.

Are you saying that at no point in time after the 2023 season ended and Getz took over as GM that Robert wasn’t worth more than Acuna and Pauley and that it didn’t make sense to trade Robert considering Getz had already started a rebuild?

Edited 1 hour ago by WhiteSox2023

[WestEddy]

11 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

So the argument is that we didn’t know when the perfect moment to trade Robert was, but with the benefit of hindsight we do now?

Robert finished the best season in his career at the end of the 2023 season.  Getz was promoted to GM on August 2023.  In his first offseason, he had already started his rebuild — he signed some mediocre free agents and traded Cease.

Are you saying that at no point in time after the 2023 season ended and Getz took over as GM that Robert wasn’t worth more than Acuna and Pauley and that it didn’t make sense to trade Robert considering Getz had already started a rebuild?

Yes. We do now. At the time? He was an All-Star with 4 years of cheap control. 

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

12 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

The whole league knew Getz had to trade Robert, and apparently after the big splash,  knew the Sox were also broke.  Worst Poker Player, Ever.

What a strange comment this is.

On one hand you say because of JR the whole league knew the poker hand Getz was dealt .

On the other hand you call him the worst poker player ever.

How good of a poker player would anyone be with every player looking at your cards ?

Do you even think about if what you say makes any sense ?

He basically traded the Robert contract for the Murakami contract and still ended up not paying for Robert's salary or the buyout plus got a couple of warm bodies.  

Its a lot more than you somehow trying to create the illusion that Getz should be getting 18 to 24 years of prospects like you mentioned several times so that anything short of that looks terrible even though you just admitted everyone could see his hand.  He can't even bluff but even if he could bluff you'd call him a liar for doing so.

Your arguments and logic are pitiful.He has never been in a position to be a good poker player and according to your previous posts he's not allowed to bluff even if his hand was not exposed to the whole league .

 

 

[WhiteSox2023]

10 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Yes. We do now. At the time? He was an All-Star with 4 years of cheap control. 

And how many years do rebuilds typically take?  Because Getz literally started one the minute he was promoted to GM which was right after Robert’s best season in 2023.  Getz then proceeded to trade his setup man, closer, best starting pitcher, and sign some vets to mostly 1-year deals.

Edited 1 hour ago by WhiteSox2023

[almagest]

18 minutes ago, Eminor3rd said:

There’s nothing here at all. A utility player that’s already out of options. The Sox will use him, but not to win games. From a baseball perspective, if this is the best return, you roll the dice on a deadline deal every time.

Or you just keep him. Not like he's blocking anyone and I'd be surprised if they get 1.5 WAR from their center field options now. Or you just buy him out and try to resign him on a prove it deal to make it more attractive at the deadline, or let him go be someone else's problem.

[Dick Allen]

27 minutes ago, Eminor3rd said:

There’s nothing here at all. A utility player that’s already out of options. The Sox will use him, but not to win games. From a baseball perspective, if this is the best return, you roll the dice on a deadline deal every time.

Which unfortunately supports the idea that this was a financial decision. All that crap about getting Jerry onboard with the Murakami vision looks made up. Really it was that Getz got permission to reallocate the money to Murakami instead of straight up save it.

2026: White Sox OD payroll trending to just a hair over $60M

Say last june, Chris Getz decided to do something more his speed and become a ski instructor leaving the White Sox GM job open and JR to have to actually interview candidates. You have an interview and he asks what you would do with Robert. You say you would have to pick up his option, you may be able to get Luisangel Acuna for him. JR later looks him up in BR. I'm guessing you wouldn't get another interview.

[WhiteSox2023]

5 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

Say last june, Chris Getz decided to do something more his speed and become a ski instructor leaving the White Sox GM job open and JR to have to actually interview candidates. You have an interview and he asks what you would do with Robert. You say you would have to pick up his option, you may be able to get Luisangel Acuna for him. JR later looks him up in BR. I'm guessing you wouldn't get another interview.

I read this post and pictured you replying to @WBWSF which made it even funnier.

[WestEddy]

22 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

What a strange comment this is.

On one hand you say because of JR the whole league knew the poker hand Getz was dealt .

On the other hand you call him the worst poker player ever.

How good of a poker player would anyone be with every player looking at your cards ?

Do you even think about if what you say makes any sense ?

He basically traded the Robert contract for the Murakami contract and still ended up not paying for Robert's salary or the buyout plus got a couple of warm bodies.  

Its a lot more than you somehow trying to create the illusion that Getz should be getting 18 to 24 years of prospects like you mentioned several times so that anything short of that looks terrible even though you just admitted everyone could see his hand.  He can't even bluff but even if he could bluff you'd call him a liar for doing so.

Your arguments and logic are pitiful.He has never been in a position to be a good poker player and according to your previous posts he's not allowed to bluff even if his hand was not exposed to the whole league .

 

 

And some here whined about the Crochet trade because Getz was only able to pry 2 of Boston's top 5 prospects away. 

[southsider2k5]

25 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

What a strange comment this is.

On one hand you say because of JR the whole league knew the poker hand Getz was dealt .

On the other hand you call him the worst poker player ever.

How good of a poker player would anyone be with every player looking at your cards ?

Do you even think about if what you say makes any sense ?

He basically traded the Robert contract for the Murakami contract and still ended up not paying for Robert's salary or the buyout plus got a couple of warm bodies.  

Its a lot more than you somehow trying to create the illusion that Getz should be getting 18 to 24 years of prospects like you mentioned several times so that anything short of that looks terrible even though you just admitted everyone could see his hand.  He can't even bluff but even if he could bluff you'd call him a liar for doing so.

Your arguments and logic are pitiful.He has never been in a position to be a good poker player and according to your previous posts he's not allowed to bluff even if his hand was not exposed to the whole league .

 

 

The fact that you still can't let go of me is so cute.  💓

[WestEddy]

23 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

And how many years do rebuilds typically take?  Because Getz literally started one the minute he was promoted to GM which was right after Robert’s best season in 2023.  Getz then proceeded to trade his setup man, closer, best starting pitcher, and sign some vets to mostly 1-year deals.

I went back to look at your posts during the 2023-2024 offseason, but they only start around Christmas. I'm guessing you got banned under a previous moniker for screaming that the White Sox should have traded Robert, Yoan and Eloy right then, and nobody could handle how right you were. LOL. 

Edited 1 hour ago by WestEddy

[WestEddy]

24 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

And how many years do rebuilds typically take?  Because Getz literally started one the minute he was promoted to GM which was right after Robert’s best season in 2023.  Getz then proceeded to trade his setup man, closer, best starting pitcher, and sign some vets to mostly 1-year deals.

I would expect a full rebuild to take around 5 years. You are arguing that the Sox should have traded Robert for a substandard return after the 2023 season. Getz did just that with Cease, and you still scream about it. 

And really, Aaron Bummer wasn't a setup man at that point, and Gregory Santos was the guy who was napping in the bullpen. 

[WhiteSox2023]

7 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

I would expect a full rebuild to take around 5 years. You are arguing that the Sox should have traded Robert for a substandard return after the 2023 season. Getz did just that with Cease, and you still scream about it. 

And really, Aaron Bummer wasn't a setup man at that point, and Gregory Santos was the guy who was napping in the bullpen. 

So if a full rebuild takes 5 years and Robert was only here for a maximum of 4 more years with his option years, why not trade him after his best season ever?  Surely the return would have been better than Acuña and Pauley, no?  That was pretty much my point.  No need to get salty when you can’t contest someone’s point.

Edited 56 minutes ago by WhiteSox2023

[Lip Man 1]

56 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

This sucks.  I feel like the Sox were shaping up to be a relatively interesting offensive team. Robert had a smidge of protection for the first time in forever.

I think this outcome is better than simply declining the option and paying Robert $2M to go away, but I would have just held Robert.  If he had a good season, the Sox could have been watchable and interesting-ish. If he didn't, we don't have Acuna - who was likely to be DFA or dumped for nothing in 2 months anyway as he is out of options. There is not a single player available for $20M that has the upside of Luis Robert, or could make the White Sox a better team instead of Robert.  All this did was make the Sox worse, and lower the already brutally low payroll. 

I am pissed. Not at the return.  Not that the Sox didn't time the market perfectly and trade him post-2023. But because it just feels like the Sox are a considerably worse team today than yesterday. And FFS, I am so ready to watch watchable baseball. 

I am too which is why I hope to still be around when Ishbia takes over. Because until then, especially with the lockout coming, a "successful" season for the Sox will be if they don't lose 100 games.