19 hours ago, GreenSox said:

Boy you pretty much nailed this situation.

Not hard to predict often injured playing getting hurt haha

No timetable

Sucks for Robert man. So much talent wasted with that guy.

1 minute ago, ChiSox59 said:

Sucks for Robert man. So much talent wasted with that guy.

True but he's been well compensated for his struggles.

16 minutes ago, Autumn Dreamin said:

No timetable

He’s done.

Man I was so so wrong about wanting to keep him. Wishful (delusional) thinking he would finally put it together and have a healthy stretch of star seasons.

Every damned year. Death. Taxes. Luis Robert hurt.

27 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:

He’s done.

I doubt that. He's 28. I think Robert still has plenty in the tank. But he's never going to play 130+.

So who has more value right now — Robert or Acuna?

2 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

I doubt that. He's 28. I think Robert still has plenty in the tank. But he's never going to play 130+.

He is quickly going the route of the others where the perpetual injuries are sapping their actual talent. I don't know why it took years of us trying to get "value" for him to realize this, but his entire history going back to rookie ball is loaded with injuries.

4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

He is quickly going the route of the others where the perpetual injuries are sapping their actual talent. I don't know why it took years of us trying to get "value" for him to realize this, but his entire history going back to rookie ball is loaded with injuries.

Its just tantalizing talent you can dream on. I definitely understand why Getz wanted to hold hoping for the best. Its not like his value was ever great in Getz' tenue. You can always state "well they should have traded him post 2023", and that obviously is true now -- but he was coming of a 5 fWAR season and looked like he might actually become the next Mike Trout. So I can at least recognize why Hahn didn't move him.

3 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

Its just tantalizing talent you can dream on. I definitely understand why Getz wanted to hold hoping for the best. Its not like his value was ever great in Getz' tenue. You can always state "well they should have traded him post 2023", and that obviously is true now -- but he was coming of a 5 fWAR season and looked like he might actually become the next Mike Trout. So I can at least recognize why Hahn didn't move him.

In 2023 He had his ONE healthy season going all of the way back to his getting hurt in 2017, during his professional debut. It was always obvious he was injury prone. If it really was known that this was the rebuild of all rebuilds, his one healthy season in 6 pro seasons, with future accelerating salaries, was always the obvious peak value for him. Betting on his to do it again, especially after the collapse, was fools gold.

17 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

In 2023 He had his ONE healthy season going all of the way back to his getting hurt in 2017, during his professional debut. It was always obvious he was injury prone. If it really was known that this was the rebuild of all rebuilds, his one healthy season in 6 pro seasons, with future accelerating salaries, was always the obvious peak value for him. Betting on his to do it again, especially after the collapse, was fools gold.

If it was so obvious, then it was obvious to other teams also, and they were probably offering worse packages than the eventual Mets' trade offer.

2 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

If it was so obvious, then it was obvious to other teams also, and they were probably offering worse packages than the eventual Mets' trade offer.

Sure buddy. You keep telling yourself that.

2 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

If it was so obvious, then it was obvious to other teams also, and they were probably offering worse packages than the eventual Mets' trade offer.

Once again, it wasn’t obvious at the end of the 2023 season. Getz was promoted to GM on August 31, 2023 and immediately started his own rebuild. One could argue that Hahn had already kickstarted the rebuild a month or so earlier by the 2023 trade deadline when he moved Giolito, Lopez, Lynn, Kelly, Graveman, Middleton, and Burger.

Edited Tuesday at 09:52 PM2 days by WhiteSox2023

Just now, WhiteSox2023 said:

Once again, it wasn’t obvious at the end of the 2023 season. Getz was promoted to GM on August 31, 2023.

And if you want to look at it, you were sitting on a depreciating asset on a franchise circling the drain. Even if you didn't trade him in 2023, you trade him in 2024. And if you didn't trade him in 2024, you trade him in 2025. We know there were superior offers out there over time, and all the Sox had to do was pick up contract, at least within the last two offseasons. Instead we let him depreciate until his value was you can give us trash if you take his contract on, and we called that a win. There was no bigger mistake made than Luis Robert's status in the post Getz era, and that is saying something with the Cease trade still hanging out there.

10 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

If it was so obvious, then it was obvious to other teams also, and they were probably offering worse packages than the eventual Mets' trade offer.

Please tell me you aren’t trying to argue that the trade offers for Robert after his 2023 season were probably worse than Acuna, a guy that could easily be DFA’ed only 1.5 months into this season? That is simply nonsensical and even you know deep down that it is a BS suggestion.

Oh wait, I forgot to include Truman Pauley in the eventual trade return. The guy that is currently 0-5 with a 7.92 ERA and 1.88 WHIP at Single A. That probably puts Getz’s eventual trade return back over the top of any offers from after the 2023 season.

Edited Tuesday at 10:03 PM2 days by WhiteSox2023

32 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Once again, it wasn’t obvious at the end of the 2023 season. Getz was promoted to GM on August 31, 2023 and immediately started his own rebuild. One could argue that Hahn had already kickstarted the rebuild a month or so earlier by the 2023 trade deadline when he moved Giolito, Lopez, Lynn, Kelly, Graveman, Middleton, and Burger.

It was either obvious, or it wasn't obvious. If it was obvious, I doubt that 4 posters on a comment board were prescient enough to know that Robert would be chronically injured at regular intervals, but the rest of baseball could be tricked into trading all of their best prospects for him if the Sox GM was as smart as those 4 posters.

26 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

It was either obvious, or it wasn't obvious. If it was obvious, I doubt that 4 posters on a comment board were prescient enough to know that Robert would be chronically injured at regular intervals, but the rest of baseball could be tricked into trading all of their best prospects for him if the Sox GM was as smart as those 4 posters.

How about “as obvious in 2023 as it was this past offseason”?

Robert was coming off of his most productive (4.9 fWAR) and healthy (595 PA) season at age 26. There is logically no way the trade offers weren’t better for Robert after the 2023 season than they were this past offseason, along with the actual trade return of Acuna and Pauley.

Yes, the injuries would be a factor but Getz kept him around for two additional seasons which further resulted in the belief that Robert was injury-prone. If your plan was to rebuild immediately upon your GM promotion, why not trade Robert after his great and relatively healthy season?

I never claimed that any team would have traded “all of their best prospects” for Robert after the 2023 season, but the offers damn sure would have been better than what he was traded for two years later in Acuna + Pauley.

Edited Tuesday at 11:01 PM2 days by WhiteSox2023

42 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

How about “as obvious in 2023 as it was this past offseason”?

Robert was coming off of his most productive (4.9 fWAR) and healthy (595 PA) season at age 26. There is logically no way the trade offers weren’t better for Robert after the 2023 season than they were this past offseason, along with the actual trade return of Acuna and Pauley.

Yes, the injuries would be a factor but Getz kept him around for two additional seasons which further resulted in the belief that Robert was injury-prone. If your plan was to rebuild immediately upon your GM promotion, why not trade Robert after his great and relatively healthy season?

I never claimed that any team would have traded “all of their best prospects” for Robert after the 2023 season, but the offers damn sure would have been better than what he was traded for two years later in Acuna + Pauley.

I really don't know what Getz was attempting, coming into the 2024 season, and I don't know what he was looking at. I'd guess he was banking on Yoan, Eloy and Robert maintaining a bit of value, maybe stay respectably bad for a couple of months, then trade them and fall off the table end of July. Nothing worked, everything broke, so every move looked like a premeditated disaster.

On top of that, new GM, maybe the offers he was getting was the more established GMs trying to take advantage, so he just held his cards. He did 2 trades with AA in Atlanta, one with Seattle, and one with Barfield's old team.

5 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

So who has more value right now — Robert or Acuna?

Ask that in two years when Acuna is Vargas 2.0.

15 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

So who has more value right now — Robert or Acuna?

Well, Robert isn't playing...but Acuna is putting up a negative WAR. So, neither?

11 hours ago, vilehoopster said:

Ask that in two years when Acuna is Vargas 2.0.

As someone that eviscerated Vargas, if Acuna is getting playing time in two years, that mean several of the following have failed:

Colson, Murakami, Vargas, Meidroth, Antonacci, Gonzalez, Bergolla, Carlson, Roch (supposedly), Braden, Baldwin, Fauske, Zavala, Lodise, Wolkow, Mogollon, Burrowes, Burke (he's reviving himself!)

Idk if you want to bank on the zero power, low walk rate, bad defensive player beating out all of those guys.

6 hours ago, Quin said:

As someone that eviscerated Vargas, if Acuna is getting playing time in two years, that mean several of the following have failed:

Colson, Murakami, Vargas, Meidroth, Antonacci, Gonzalez, Bergolla, Carlson, Roch (supposedly), Braden, Baldwin, Fauske, Zavala, Lodise, Wolkow, Mogollon, Burrowes, Burke (he's reviving himself!)

Idk if you want to bank on the zero power, low walk rate, bad defensive player beating out all of those guys.

Also, Shelton and Bonemer.

12 hours ago, Quin said:

As someone that eviscerated Vargas, if Acuna is getting playing time in two years, that mean several of the following have failed:

Colson, Murakami, Vargas, Meidroth, Antonacci, Gonzalez, Bergolla, Carlson, Roch (supposedly), Braden, Baldwin, Fauske, Zavala, Lodise, Wolkow, Mogollon, Burrowes, Burke (he's reviving himself!)

Idk if you want to bank on the zero power, low walk rate, bad defensive player beating out all of those guys.

You mean similar to how Vargas ended his 1st season with the Sox with a batting average of something like .093?

Seriously, Vargas’s average was something like that with the Sox in 2024.

I understand my take is a stretch, but the idea that it’s impossible that Acuna can/ will improve and become a quality centerfielder for the Sox for years, thinking that he can’t improve with his athletic ability, you’re just being silly.