White Sox acquired RHPs Jordan Hicks and David Sandlin from BOS

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

4 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I thought he was saying that the Red Sox save $16 million by moving Hicks, even after sending $8 million to the White Sox.  Hicks was owed $24 million over the next two years.

There were 2 different ways to perceive it since he just said Sox. In a trade involving both Sox teams a professional needs to be more clear. 

[ptatc]

46 minutes ago, Autumn Dreamin said:

Iriarte and Romo are the casualties, not what I expected

Also a future two for one PTNBL swap pending

Surprised it was Romo. That leaves them with 4 catchers for Spring Training?

[Bob Sacamano]

1 minute ago, ptatc said:

Surprised it was Romo. That leaves them with 4 catchers for Spring Training?

Yeah that part too

[chitownsportsfan]

The Bulls and White Sox made on paper straight A trades in back to back days. Marginal roster moves, but still, it all adds up.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

27 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:

Some Red Sox guys are saying it as the "final trade details" 

Feagan had a tweet and listed the W. Sox giving up a PTBNL but not the   2 PTBNL from the Red Sox. 

[thxfrthmmrs]

Popped over to the RS forum to see what their fans think of the trade, and TIL that their forum is called TalkSox.

[Jake]

In AAA last season, Sandlin threw:

28% 4-seamers, averaging 97.1 mph. Standard sort of rise-y profile and gets a few whiffs but not amazing.

22% cutters, averaging 91.6 mph and generating decent swing as miss but also got hit hard.

21% sliders, averaging 86.8mph with a lot of sideways movement and pretty good depth. Similar results to the cutter as far as okay whiff rate but lots of hard contact.

14% sinkers, averaging 95.7mph. Seems like an ordinary sinker. Not a ton of sink really but a lot more run than his 4 seamer which is part of the job description. Doesn't get whiffed on and got hit hard as sinkers tend to do.

12% sweepers, averaging 85.3mph. This thing has a ton of sideways movement and wasn't hit very hard relative to his other offerings. I don't know whether it might be the case that Statcast is inadvertently classing his good sweepers as sweepers and his bad sweepers as sliders. 

2% 82mph curveballs. Too small of a sample to pay much attention to.

1 changeup. See above. 

So he's not really throwing anything that moves away from lefties (other than the sinker, which you don't want to use against oppo-handed hitters). From the data, the only change in his approach to pitch selection against lefties was canning the sinker. He threw about 60% of his pitches against lefties in AAA so he was not enjoying platoon advantage very often. Interestingly, righties made better contact against him anyway (xwOBA much higher for righties than lefties, although lefties had better actual wOBA).

[TheFutureIsNear]

Curious to see what the remaining free agent starters like Gio/Littell/Buehler get compared to $8M for Hicks. Obviously the extra added value or Sandlin has to be factored in too.
 

But regardless whether this deal ends up as an actual needle mover or not, it is slightly refreshing to see available pay roll space being used to acquire young talent. 

[WhiteSox2023]

3 minutes ago, thxfrthmmrs said:

Popped over to the RS forum to see what their fans think of the trade, and TIL that their forum is called TalkSox.

Bizarro SoxTalk.

[WhiteSox2023]

10 minutes ago, ptatc said:

Surprised it was Romo. That leaves them with 4 catchers for Spring Training?

Not a fan of this DFA.  Would have rather seen it be someone like Tristan Peters or Bryan Hudson

[ChiSox59]

9 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Feagan had a tweet and listed the W. Sox giving up a PTBNL but not the   2 PTBNL from the Red Sox. 

The tweet announcing the deal from official ChiSox Twitter says we receive 2 PTBNL

Edited 4 hours ago by ChiSox59

[Chicago White Sox]

57 minutes ago, Autumn Dreamin said:

Iriarte and Romo are the casualties, not what I expected

Also a future two for one PTNBL swap pending

Iriarte was one of the two most likely DFA candidates IMO and I think he will clear and be outrighted to AAA.  I’m actually shocked by Romo being the second DFA as it makes me feel the Sox might carry three catchers (which I don’t like).

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

4 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

The tweet announcing the deal from official ChiSox Twitter says we receive 2 PTBNL

That what my post said 2 PTBNL from the Red Sox.

I was just saying Feagan didnt include it in his tweet but others did. 

Edited 4 hours ago by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[WhiteSox2023]

2 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

The tweet announcing the deal from ChiSox Twitter says we receive 2 PTBNL

Yep, 2 PTBNL for the White Sox and 1 PTBNL for the Red Sox.  From our boy Merkin…

https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/jordan-hicks-trade-white-sox-red-sox

CHICAGO -- The White Sox acquired right-hander Jordan Hicks, Minor League hurler David Sandlin and

two players to be named in a trade for fellow Minor League pitcher Gage Ziehl and a player to be named, the club announced Sunday afternoon.

[GreenSox]

Hicks has never had a good season, so all the Sox got for taking on salary was a prospect swap. Boston got salary relief plus 2 open spots on 40-man.  Somehow Getz sends Boston a prospect instead of an org guy (in the tradition of Hahn and Williams).  And then he’s using the 40-man for Charlotte’s OF (how is Hill not DFAd?).

[Bob Sacamano]

4 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Iriarte was one of the two most likely DFA candidates IMO and I think he will clear and be outrighted to AAA.  I’m actually shocked by Romo being the second DFA as it makes me feel the Sox might carry three catchers (which I don’t like).

I would be ok with Iriarte and Hudson or Hill

[WhiteSox2023]

7 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Iriarte was one of the two most likely DFA candidates IMO and I think he will clear and be outrighted to AAA.  I’m actually shocked by Romo being the second DFA as it makes me feel the Sox might carry three catchers (which I don’t like).

Yep, Romo has been claimed three times off of waivers by the Orioles, Mets, and White Sox, so he’s most likely gone.  A 24-year old catcher that has shown he can hit in the minors is desirable.  Wish they chose someone else.

Edited 4 hours ago by WhiteSox2023

[Chick Mercedes]

40 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said:

Really creative trade by Getz. I'm a big fan of Sandlin. He could be a big league contributor out of the pen this season if they wanted to go that route. They essentially turned 1/2 season of Slater into a top 10 arm in the system. 

Getz style of GMing under duress (under Jerry), is to throw a bunch of s%*# at the wall, and hope a percentage of it sticks while we wait for the kids to come up. Yeah, he’s been creative in the meantime. 

[Chick Mercedes]

19 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

The Bulls and White Sox made on paper straight A trades in back to back days. Marginal roster moves, but still, it all adds up.

Raising the floor up. Adding mortar around a few more bricks. Filling in some gaps. Fixing and replacing the stairs. Wiring the house for appliances to be installed later. I could keep going.

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

52 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said:

Really creative trade by Getz. I'm a big fan of Sandlin. He could be a big league contributor out of the pen this season if they wanted to go that route. They essentially turned 1/2 season of Slater into a top 10 arm in the system. 

I mean, the 8 million is worth more to Boston than the prospect the Sox are giving. 

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

14 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

Hicks has never had a good season, so all the Sox got for taking on salary was a prospect swap. Boston got salary relief plus 2 open spots on 40-man.  Somehow Getz sends Boston a prospect instead of an org guy (in the tradition of Hahn and Williams).  And then he’s using the 40-man for Charlotte’s OF (how is Hill not DFAd?).

Hicks has had some real nice years as a reliever.

[Chicago White Sox]

1 hour ago, Baron said:

 

 

Looks like Hicks will be a reliever to start 

I like the Hicks gamble much better if they plan to use him as a reliever.  Would still need Sandlin to be a dude to justify the gamble though.

[Chick Mercedes]

22 minutes ago, Jake said:

In AAA last season, Sandlin threw:

28% 4-seamers, averaging 97.1 mph. Standard sort of rise-y profile and gets a few whiffs but not amazing.

22% cutters, averaging 91.6 mph and generating decent swing as miss but also got hit hard.

21% sliders, averaging 86.8mph with a lot of sideways movement and pretty good depth. Similar results to the cutter as far as okay whiff rate but lots of hard contact.

14% sinkers, averaging 95.7mph. Seems like an ordinary sinker. Not a ton of sink really but a lot more run than his 4 seamer which is part of the job description. Doesn't get whiffed on and got hit hard as sinkers tend to do.

12% sweepers, averaging 85.3mph. This thing has a ton of sideways movement and wasn't hit very hard relative to his other offerings. I don't know whether it might be the case that Statcast is inadvertently classing his good sweepers as sweepers and his bad sweepers as sliders. 

2% 82mph curveballs. Too small of a sample to pay much attention to.

1 changeup. See above. 

So he's not really throwing anything that moves away from lefties (other than the sinker, which you don't want to use against oppo-handed hitters). From the data, the only change in his approach to pitch selection against lefties was canning the sinker. He threw about 60% of his pitches against lefties in AAA so he was not enjoying platoon advantage very often. Interestingly, righties made better contact against him anyway (xwOBA much higher for righties than lefties, although lefties had better actual wOBA).

“Stuff monster”. 👌 

 

[Squirmin' for Yermin]

All the fluff on sandlin is fun

[Autumn Dreamin]

Could be a few months away from Sandlin throwing to Teel with Meidroth in the IF and Braden Montgomery in the OF, fun little alternate reality watch for Boston fans. Paez too, if he sticks.

Similar to them having Crochet, Romy, Gio, and Liam over there, but the latter two struggled with health. I still root for Crochet and Romy though.