White Sox acquired RHPs Jordan Hicks and David Sandlin from BOS

[WestEddy]

23 minutes ago, Chick Mercedes said:

There was literally no existing reason to have your blind faith. Smarter to be skeptical, and adjust as things become apparent 

It's a baseball team. You have no effect on the team, and the team has no effect on you. Being "skeptical" isn't smarter than anything else. 

[CWSpalehoseCWS]

2 minutes ago, BamaDoc said:

Agree but the structure is a little unusual with 2 for White Sox and 1 PTBNL for Red Sox.  Since some people on here seemed to have legitimate information, I wondered about it.  Second reason to wonder was supposedly Sandlin failed medical initially so wondered if there was some form of protection in the class of players available (better pool if he breaksdown etc).

If Sandlin's medicals are in question, perhaps the PTBNL is dependent on his ability to stay healthy? I'm not sure if that is something that can be agreed to, but it could provide some context. Maybe the Sox have 2 options based on the outcome for Sandlin this season.

[Chick Mercedes]

1 minute ago, WestEddy said:

It's a baseball team. You have no effect on the team, and the team has no effect on you. Being "skeptical" isn't smarter than anything else. 

Are we still talking about the same franchise?

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

29 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Venable said it.

https://www.mlb.com/news/sean-newcomb-to-compete-for-white-sox-rotation-spot

I found what I was referring to on Spotrac. 

He's got up to $2M in  incentives based on  Starts and innings pitched. 

$100K for starts 8, 10, 12 ,14, 16, 18, 20, 22 ,24,26. = potentially $1M

$100K for innings pitched markers starting at 60 ,then 70,80,90, 100 up to 150 by tens. = potentially $1M

Edited 2 hours ago by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[Bob Sacamano]

15 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said:

I know this isn't directed at me, but PTBNL usually aren't anything significant. The Sox have a list of possible guys they are allowed to choose from the Red Sox. Likely low minors lottery tickets. Trea Turner is the last big PTBNL to be traded, but MLB changed the rules following that deal, and we're well beyond the new deadline for drafted players to be traded.

Yeah that Turner one was a loophole since he couldn’t technically be traded when he was.

[ChiSoxFanMike]

Do we think they still have money to add a free agent SP?

[joejoesox]

2 hours ago, ChiSox59 said:

I think they'll both play plenty. Would like to see Sox at least toy with letting these guys play somewhere other than C and DH a time or two a week. The reality is the Sox are an injury or two away from none of this "crunch" mattering at all. Those guys will get plenty of at bats. 

I feel like last year was the perfect time to test Teel out in the OF, dunno why they didn't do it 

[Buehrle>Wood]

17 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said:

I know this isn't directed at me, but PTBNL usually aren't anything significant. The Sox have a list of possible guys they are allowed to choose from the Red Sox. Likely low minors lottery tickets. Trea Turner is the last big PTBNL to be traded, but MLB changed the rules following that deal, and we're well beyond the new deadline for drafted players to be traded.

Iirc teams often have the right to take cash in lieu and a lot of the time do so.

[Chick Mercedes]

1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I wonder if this is it for the rotation.  Enter the season with Smith, Martin, & Key, and two of Burke, Newcomb, Cannon, & Sandlin.  Then hope that some combo of the TJS crew and top prospects in AAA/AA push for spots by mid season.  Just feels like a big chunk of the money that could have gone for a mid rotation was allocated to Hicks.

It appears they prefer to spend money on the bullpen, and not spend money on rotation slots they have to guarantee while there is so much youthful starter fluidity in the pipeline. Better to keep slots open for someone young and building for a future on the SS.

[bobbydanks]

Let's all be reasonable or white sox fans

[oldsox]

I didn't know about Trea Turner on that PTBNL issue. Which trade was that? WA to LA?

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

Some interesting victory laps this offseason. 

Sandlin stinks. Him as a guy in the rotation this year is more of an indication of the state of white sox pitching than his skills. 

Maybe they can get Hicks right out of the bullpen. 

[Bob Sacamano]

5 minutes ago, oldsox said:

I didn't know about Trea Turner on that PTBNL issue. Which trade was that? WA to LA?

When he was recently drafted with the Padres. When he went to the Nationals in a 3-way deal.

Edit: it was because you had to wait a certain amount of time to trade draft picks. So he was a PTBNL in a deal even though everyone knew he was going to move when he could.

Edited 2 hours ago by Bob Sacamano

[ptatc]

1 hour ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Same. But he may end up there depending on how he does as a starter

They will try it early but they have Thorpe, Adams and Busch coming back back this year.

[oldsox]

2 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

When he was recently drafted with the Padres. When he went to the Nationals in a 3-way deal.

Oh yah. I remember now.

[Bob Sacamano]

3 minutes ago, ptatc said:

They will try it early but they have Thorpe, Adams and Busch coming back back this year.

Yeah and I just don’t think he’ll have a long leash. He’s better as a reliever and where I want him personally.

[joejoesox]

1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I wonder if this is it for the rotation.  Enter the season with Smith, Martin, & Key, and two of Burke, Newcomb, Cannon, & Sandlin.  Then hope that some combo of the TJS crew and top prospects in AAA/AA push for spots by mid season.  Just feels like a big chunk of the money that could have gone for a mid rotation was allocated to Hicks.

don't forget about Paez

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

18 minutes ago, Chick Mercedes said:

Are we still talking about the same franchise?

Ha if there was a Soxtalk in 1919 how long do you think we'd keep hearing jokes about White Sox players gambling till it died out ? 

We still hear jokes about the White Flag trade . Has the franchise history been lousy . Yep but wouldnt you dislike it if you personally did the same job and the majority expected you to fail. Rome wasn't built in a day.

 Do unto others etc etc.

[Bob Sacamano]

36 minutes ago, BamaDoc said:

Agree but the structure is a little unusual with 2 for White Sox and 1 PTBNL for Red Sox.  Since some people on here seemed to have legitimate information, I wondered about it.  Second reason to wonder was supposedly Sandlin failed medical initially so wondered if there was some form of protection in the class of players available (better pool if he breaksdown etc).

Yeah you would think the White Sox would just get one and the second from Red Sox and one from White Sox would cancel out haha i can’t think of another deal off the top of my head where there PTBNL is going both ways 

[bobbydanks]

10 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Ha if there was a Soxtalk in 1919 how long do you think we'd keep hearing jokes about White Sox players gambling till it died out ? 

We still hear jokes about the White Flag trade . Has the franchise history been lousy . Yep but wouldnt you dislike it if you personally did the same job and the majority expected you to fail. Rome wasn't built in a day.

 Do unto others etc etc.

Not sure if dei Spiderman avatar is the beacon of reliable history but thank Jerry for histrionics

[Chick Mercedes]

11 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Ha if there was a Soxtalk in 1919 how long do you think we'd keep hearing jokes about White Sox players gambling till it died out ? 

We still hear jokes about the White Flag trade . Has the franchise history been lousy . Yep but wouldnt you dislike it if you personally did the same job and the majority expected you to fail. Rome wasn't built in a day.

 Do unto others etc etc.

I don’t care how the White Sox feel. I hope they feel bad. I will cheer for wins and excellence. Faith is earned.

[CWSpalehoseCWS]

12 minutes ago, joejoesox said:

don't forget about Paez

I have a real hard time seeing him somehow stick in the rotation. I can see them hiding him in the pen. You don't see many arms go from A-ball to the MLB and have immediate success.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

47 minutes ago, bobbydanks said:

Not sure if dei Spiderman avatar is the beacon of reliable history but thank Jerry for histrionics

I often do as I cited when I said Getz is severly limited by having very little money. I just cant blame the grunts even if Getz is an Officer not an enlisted man. But he's still in JRs chokehold. 

[southsider2k5]

1 hour ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said:

I know this isn't directed at me, but PTBNL usually aren't anything significant. The Sox have a list of possible guys they are allowed to choose from the Red Sox. Likely low minors lottery tickets. Trea Turner is the last big PTBNL to be traded, but MLB changed the rules following that deal, and we're well beyond the new deadline for drafted players to be traded.

To start with, they can't be players on a 40 man roster, nor recently drafted.

[southsider2k5]

1 hour ago, BamaDoc said:

Agree but the structure is a little unusual with 2 for White Sox and 1 PTBNL for Red Sox.  Since some people on here seemed to have legitimate information, I wondered about it.  Second reason to wonder was supposedly Sandlin failed medical initially so wondered if there was some form of protection in the class of players available (better pool if he breaksdown etc).

It might mean they reworked the deal to give the White Sox a chance to look closer at other players to make up either for the injury potential, or for not getting their first choice because of medical red flags.