4 minutes ago, vilehoopster said:

Right off google:

AI Overview

As of 2025, the league-wide average save percentage for MLB relievers is approximately 63%.

As usual, you’re completely full of BS!

Relievers and closers bundled into that would make sense but a closer with 63 is a loser.

6 minutes ago, vilehoopster said:

Right off google:

AI Overview

As of 2025, the league-wide average save percentage for MLB relievers is approximately 63%.

As usual, you’re completely full of BS!

This is what I got when I asked AI the same question for what it's worth:

"Based on historical data and modern trends, the league-wide average save percentage (Save Opportunity conversion rate) for MLB relievers in save situations has hovered around 88% to 90% for established closing pitchers.

Medium +2

While individual, non-closer relievers may have lower rates, major league closers tasked with finishing games in recent decades have maintained a high baseline of success, with elite closers often exceeding 90% and career leaders averaging roughly 89%."

AI doesn't know how to different elite closers from non closing relievers.

Not to mention three inning save conversions in blowouts count too for those stats.

A Hector Santiago special.

Edited yesterday at 12:13 AM1 day by caulfield12

6 minutes ago, vilehoopster said:

Right off google:

AI Overview

As of 2025, the league-wide average save percentage for MLB relievers is approximately 63%.

As usual, you’re completely full of BS!

For "relievers". That's not closers. There are 20 player's with 3, or more, saves in MLB currently. Of them none have an equal, or worse, save rate than Anthony. He is dead last.

2 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

This is what I got when I asked AI the same question for what it's worth:

"Based on historical data and modern trends, the league-wide average save percentage (Save Opportunity conversion rate) for MLB relievers in save situations has hovered around 88% to 90% for established closing pitchers.

Medium +2

While individual, non-closer relievers may have lower rates, major league closers tasked with finishing games in recent decades have maintained a high baseline of success, with elite closers often exceeding 90% and career leaders averaging roughly 89%."

There you go.

Bottom at 85% tolerable/keep your spot

Should be definition of elite.

Would argue 95% and up.

Edited yesterday at 12:15 AM1 day by caulfield12

39 minutes ago, tray said:

That is your opinion. I respectfully disagree.

Guess I have to s%*# talk him more often

25 minutes ago, vilehoopster said:

Right off google:

AI Overview

As of 2025, the league-wide average save percentage for MLB relievers is approximately 63%.

As usual, you’re completely full of BS!

You failed at Google. 🤣

But even without your failed attempt at Googling, you really thought a closer failing to save one out of every three games would be good?!?

Wow…

Edited yesterday at 12:35 AM1 day by WhiteSox2023

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1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said:

Congratulations to Schultz on his first win.

He looked a lot more comfortable out there than in his first start.

I see more Sale than Johnson

2out of 3 in Oakland...oops Sacramento. We'll take it and forget about the middle game. That ballpark sure looked full for 12,000 people.

Edited yesterday at 01:00 AM1 day by soxrwhite
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43 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

You failed at Google. 🤣

But even without your failed attempt at Googling, you really thought a closer failing to save one out of every three games would be good?!?

Wow…

Yes, he would be good because he would be above average as the AI said.

I'm still a glass half full kind of guy, but it's cold beer and going down fast so hurry up and turn this season around.

Sox really need Teel back in the line-up and Antonacci to start hitting.

And my pet peeve here - please sit Acuna in favor of Derek Hill in CF.

2 minutes ago, vilehoopster said:

Yes, he would be good because he would be above average as the AI said.

AI is only as good as the prompt you give it. Judging by the answer you got, I am guessing how accurate the prompt was.

Proof? Last year you have to go down to 30th in saves in MLB to find someone with a 60%, or worse, save percentage.

Coincidentally, it was Leasure at 58.3%.

I rest my case.

3 minutes ago, vilehoopster said:

Yes, he would be good because he would be above average as the AI said.

Like others have already responded, your Google search was flawed. You got the save percentage result for all MLB relievers, not just closers. A 66% save percentage would not be good for a highly payed closer, and I didn’t even need AI to know that.

Edited yesterday at 01:24 AM1 day by WhiteSox2023

1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said:

For "relievers". That's not closers. There are 20 player's with 3, or more, saves in MLB currently. Of them none have an equal, or worse, save rate than Anthony. He is dead last.

Again I call BS. TB and LAA have closers also with 4 saves in 6 opportunities. There 13 or so guys doing better than Dominguez, but beyond that there are very few who have had 6 or more svos. There’s a bunch of guys at 2- 0 and 3 - 0 in svos. Also a bunch at 1 - 0 or 2- 0 or 1 - 1. WSH’s guy is 2 of 4 svos. Hoffman of TOR is 2 of 5 svos. Leiter of the As is 2 of 4 svos.

So Dominguez is NOT dead last. Why come on here and misrepresent something that is not at all true.

Here’s the link to save stats: https://www.mlb.com/stats/pitching/saves?page=1

50 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

There you go.

Bottom at 85% tolerable/keep your spot

Should be definition of elite.

Would argue 95% and up.

Last season's saves leader (Estevez, 42/46) had an 87.5% save rate. Chapman (32/24) was the only pitcher (out of 8) with 30+ saves at a rate above 90%. If you lower the threshold to 20 saves, Jansen (28/29) and Hader (27/28) make the cut which would be 3/21 closers. Which is fine, if that's your bar for elite, the top 10-15% probably makes sense.

But by these standards, only a handful of closers are even at a "tolerable" 85%. Mason Miller, who most would call elite, I guess should be grateful he just managed to keep his spot at that rate (22/26). And the Brewers were lucky to win so much with their just barely tolerable 83% save rate from Megill (30/36)?

It's an inherently high noise stat due to small sample sizes. Only ~17 guys got 30+ save opps last season, and nearly all of them will have also pitched 20+ innings in non-save situations that won't be captured by the stat at all.

It's a cool stat for when guys are on wild streaks or for comparing the work of really established closers over time, but I'm not sure there's a less predictive stat than any relievers "save rate" over a five game sample. Jeff Hoffman (2/5), the guy who literally closed over Dominguez in Toronto last year, is worse if we're going by 5 SVO samples.

Edited yesterday at 01:41 AM1 day by Autumn Dreamin

https://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/closers/_/year/2025

There you go.

Everyone well above 80% until Will Vest.

Who's not elite either.

2 minutes ago, vilehoopster said:

Again I call BS. TB and LAA have closers also with 4 saves in 6 opportunities. There 13 or so guys doing better than Dominguez, but beyond that there are very few who have had 6 or more svos. There’s a bunch of guys at 2- 0 and 3 - 0 in svos. Also a bunch at 1 - 0 or 2- 0 or 1 - 1. WSH’s guy is 2 of 4 svos. Hoffman of TOR is 2 of 5 svos. Leiter of the As is 2 of 4 svos.

So Dominguez is NOT dead last. Why come on here and misrepresent something that is not at all true.

Here’s the link to save stats: https://www.mlb.com/stats/pitching/saves?page=1

Can you read? Because nothing you said contradicted what I said.

I even went back to the last full season of 2025 to further clarify the point.

You are erroneously associating "relievers" with closers.

Why is this an important distinction?

Because only closers get a chance to actually save games, versus a non-closer who can blow saves, but gets very few actual saves.

10 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/closers/_/year/2025

There you go.

Everyone well above 80% until Will Vest.

Who's not elite either.

This is not the best source to use, since it splits stats by player team and backend BP arms are among the most commonly traded assets at the deadline. Just at first glance, it leaves out Mason Miller's post-trade Padres tenure, where he went 2/5 on save opps.

Sorry quoted wrong post

Edited yesterday at 01:50 AM1 day by Autumn Dreamin

27 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

The Can you read? Because nothing you said contradicted what I said.

I even went back to the last full season of 2025 to further clarify the point.

You are erroneously associating "relievers" with closers.

Why is this an important distinction?

Because only closers get a chance to actually save games, versus a non-closer who can blow saves, but gets very few actual saves.

“For "relievers". That's not closers. There are 20 player's with 3, or more, saves in MLB currently. Of them none have an equal, or worse, save rate than Anthony. He is dead last.”

I can read and you said, “in MLB currently. . . none of them have an equal or worse rate than Anthony. He is dead last.”

I can read and I understand what the word “currently” means. One thing it means is whatever you found in 2025 means nothing: it’s not under the idea of “currently”.

I also understand what “none of them have” and I understand what “equal or worse rate” means.

If you check that link for 2026, “currently” two pitchers have an “equal” rate. And two more “currently” have a worse rate.

So, Dominguez is not “dead last”, which I am also able to read and understand.

And all four of those relievers are clearly their team’s “closer”, having that many save opportunities.

12 minutes ago, vilehoopster said:

“For "relievers". That's not closers. There are 20 player's with 3, or more, saves in MLB currently. Of them none have an equal, or worse, save rate than Anthony. He is dead last.”

I can read and you said, “in MLB currently. . . none of them have an equal or worse rate than Anthony. He is dead last.”

I can read and I understand what the word “currently” means. One thing it means is whatever you found in 2025 means nothing: it’s not under the idea of “currently”.

I also understand what “none of them have” and I understand what “equal or worse rate” means.

If you check that link for 2026, “currently” two pitchers have an “equal” rate. And two more “currently” have a worse rate.

So, Dominguez is not “dead last”, which I am also able to read and understand.

And all four of those relievers are clearly their team’s “closer”, having that many save opportunities.

Yes, if you delete things I said, you can change the meaning of the post. Congratulations on trying to pass that off as intellectually honest. It's also a classic SSS, which is why I added a full year sample to demonstrate better that there is a difference between "relievers" and "closers".

Your statistic is wrong.

A closer with a 60% save rate is not Average. They are among the worst in baseball. Even if you want to drop the threshold to 2 saves to capture more noise, the fact there are only 4 total, means there are 26 others who are above that mark. 4 of of 30 is 13.333th percentile. In no world is that "average". That is below far below 50th percentile.

Your big flex literally reinforced my point.

Thanks for the assist.

There's another stat that was developed as a way to compare relievers on equal footing: shutdowns and meltdowns. Basically, if your team's win probability goes up appreciably because of your pitching, that's a shutdown. If your team's win probability drops appreciably, that's a meltdown. Today's outing for Seranthony falls just short of a shutdown because the Sox's chances of victory were too high to begin with. Same goes for Hudson's outing today, FWIW.

On the season, Seranthony gets 3 shutdowns and 2 meltdowns. There are 30 pitchers with at least 3 meltdowns this season so far. Griffin Jax and Justin Bruihl lead the with 5 meltdowns (they each have 4 shutdowns as well). Lucas Sims is in a several-way tie for 3rd with 4 meltdowns (he has 1 SD). Cincinnati's Tony Santillan leads the way with 9 SD (and 0 MD). On the Sox, Leasure has 4 SD to 2 MD and Hicks has 3 SD to 1 MD. Chris Murphy 0 SD and 3 MD.

Last year's MLB SD leader was Andres Munoz with 46 (against 8 MD). Note that not all saves count as an SD and you can get a MD without blowing the save (if you give up runs that make it much more likely your team loses even if your runs don't tie the game). All-time leaders: Mo, Hoffman, Lee Smith, Kenley Jansen, John Franco, K-Rod, Aroldis, Goose, David Robertson, Kimbrel (in that order). Top single season: tie between 1990 Bobby Thigpen and 2008 K-Rod with 50 apiece.

46 minutes ago, Jake said:

There's another stat that was developed as a way to compare relievers on equal footing: shutdowns and meltdowns. Basically, if your team's win probability goes up appreciably because of your pitching, that's a shutdown. If your team's win probability drops appreciably, that's a meltdown. Today's outing for Seranthony falls just short of a shutdown because the Sox's chances of victory were too high to begin with. Same goes for Hudson's outing today, FWIW.

On the season, Seranthony gets 3 shutdowns and 2 meltdowns. There are 30 pitchers with at least 3 meltdowns this season so far. Griffin Jax and Justin Bruihl lead the with 5 meltdowns (they each have 4 shutdowns as well). Lucas Sims is in a several-way tie for 3rd with 4 meltdowns (he has 1 SD). Cincinnati's Tony Santillan leads the way with 9 SD (and 0 MD). On the Sox, Leasure has 4 SD to 2 MD and Hicks has 3 SD to 1 MD. Chris Murphy 0 SD and 3 MD.

Last year's MLB SD leader was Andres Munoz with 46 (against 8 MD). Note that not all saves count as an SD and you can get a MD without blowing the save (if you give up runs that make it much more likely your team loses even if your runs don't tie the game). All-time leaders: Mo, Hoffman, Lee Smith, Kenley Jansen, John Franco, K-Rod, Aroldis, Goose, David Robertson, Kimbrel (in that order). Top single season: tie between 1990 Bobby Thigpen and 2008 K-Rod with 50 apiece.

Edwin Diaz and Blake Treinen certainly had meltdowns today. Diaz velocity appreciably down from 97 to 95.

First time really watching Noah pitch. His arsenal is fun to watch. 97 mph sinker, 97 mph 4-seamer, 90 mph cutter and a wicked slider.

Looks like they're molding him with the exact arsenal that Crochet uses.

12 hours ago, GreenSox said:

A couple of weeks ago, he was a 1-innng opener (consecutive nights; 3/4 nights). But I don't think they are going for starter either (injury concerns, as I recall). He throws 100 but he gets hit; I guess the command isn't there.
Unfortunate.

He reminds me of Matt Thornton. 100 mph, but straight.