16 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

https://sports.yahoo.com/white-sox-vp-says-its-a-shame-team-is-being-called-cheap-after-freeagent-failures-020215599.html

Not just 20-25 years ago…it’s 2013-2026, with the exception of 2020-22.

as Thad Bosley used to say, 45+ years of track record/history to go on

16 hours ago, ron883 said:

What are we thinking Soxtalk? The team seems to have a lot of middle infield prospects at the moment, especially with the imminent Roch pick. Do they make some trades or hold off?

If Jacob Gonzalez has regained value by mashing in AAA, as a 1st round pick who is a lefty SS, I wouldn't be terribly upset if we flipped him. I have no idea of Gonzalez has any value though.

I've just got to say, this is an excellent post. Last night, JaGon crushed one for his 11th hr. He's making the Sox look like Einstein. One more month of

production like this, and the asking price goes from cash considerations to an elite prospect swap. Good job Ron.

We definitely need SP. Martin and Burke are due for some regression. Fedde is time bomb. Schultz and Kay are unknown commodities. I would add a SP that just costs money and maybe a flier. Gimme Sonny Gray or Jacob deGrom. deGrom is under control through 2027 with a 2028 option. There is a lot of risk there with that cost but this whole roster is under ARB control, so it's an easy bet to hedge. Sonny Gray is a FA at the end of the year, but at 36, you could probably extend him for 2-3 years for something that isn't crazy.

For OF, we need to see how that plays out with Hays, Pereira, Peters, Kelenic, but that might be serviceable OF.

The most correct answer (imo) to the question at hand is also the most boring answer: TBD.

1 hour ago, striker said:

We definitely need SP. Martin and Burke are due for some regression. Fedde is time bomb. Schultz and Kay are unknown commodities. I would add a SP that just costs money and maybe a flier. Gimme Sonny Gray or Jacob deGrom. deGrom is under control through 2027 with a 2028 option. There is a lot of risk there with that cost but this whole roster is under ARB control, so it's an easy bet to hedge. Sonny Gray is a FA at the end of the year, but at 36, you could probably extend him for 2-3 years for something that isn't crazy.

For OF, we need to see how that plays out with Hays, Pereira, Peters, Kelenic, but that might be serviceable OF.

Gray maybe.

deGrom makes $37 million per year ... is always hurt ... and will cost prospects Getz isn't willing to surrender.

One year is worth more than two of Mune???

If Getz wants to go full crazy: Mike Trout

14 minutes ago, Quin said:

If Getz wants to go full crazy: Mike Trout

Only $161 million through his year 38 season….assuming a trade at the end of July.

Sounds exactly like JR.

Not!

27 minutes ago, Quin said:

If Getz wants to go full crazy: Mike Trout

I mentioned this weeks ago with my buddies.

I'd start the package with Carlson and Oppor and go from there

1 minute ago, GGajewski18 said:

I mentioned this weeks ago with my buddies.

I'd start the package with Carlson and Oppor and go from there

I think this would be…ill advised.

Edited Thursday at 03:51 PM3 days by Lukakke Appling

Just now, Lukakke Appling said:

I think this would be…Ill advised.

Sure, it probably is, but look at this lineup

LF Antonacci
CF Trout
1B Murakami
3B Vargas
SS Colson
C Teel
RF Braden Montgomery
DH Kelenic/Hays
2B Meidroth

Pereira, Peters, Gonzalez, Romo/Quero on the bench

They should absolutely buy, ideally guys who aren’t rentals.

Sandy Alcantara, Garrett Whitlock, Yennier Cano come to mind for me.

I think getting someone with veteran experience is really important. Someone with recent playoff history. Maybe that's an outfielder or something.

Good gracious, people want an old team again.

Buying has a 0% success rate.

Emulate the Brewers, the Rays.
Do not emulate Rick Hahn.

29 minutes ago, GGajewski18 said:

Sure, it probably is, but look at this lineup

LF Antonacci
CF Trout
1B Murakami
3B Vargas
SS Colson
C Teel
RF Braden Montgomery
DH Kelenic/Hays
2B Meidroth

Pereira, Peters, Gonzalez, Romo/Quero on the bench

Trout is performing well now but he’s 34 years, more injury-prone than Robert, and the Sox would have to pay him $35.45 million annually through the 2030 season, assuming the Angels aren’t including any money.

Calling such a trade “ill-advised” is being nice.

5 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

Good gracious, people want an old team again.

Buying has a 0% success rate.

Emulate the Brewers, the Rays.
Do not emulate Rick Hahn.

This is very hyperbolic. Contending teams typically buy at the deadline. And the Brewers and Rays have never won a World Series as far as that goes.

I said Trout would be crazy, damn.

But it's fun to dream on, especially since our CF situation is not fun.

12 minutes ago, ChiSoxFanMike said:

This is very hyperbolic. Contending teams typically buy at the deadline. And the Brewers and Rays have never won a World Series as far as that goes.

Not teams who show their first signs of life. And certainly not with anywhere near their top 5 or 6 prospects.

The Dodgers have won a WS and they aren't heavy buyers; Braves aren't;; Yankees don't. Rays don't. Brewers don't.
Padres buy heavy; Phillies buy heavy. Baltimore bought Trevor Rogers at the deadline - what a disaster for Baltimore - and a boon for Miami.

And really, the successful teams buy on margins - fill out the pen; a depth piece.

Don't repeat the Hahn disasters.

Edited Thursday at 04:55 PM3 days by GreenSox

1 hour ago, Quin said:

If Getz wants to go full crazy: Mike Trout

Only way this makes sense:

Angels send: Mike Trout, Kikuchi, 50 million cash

White Sox send: Benitendi and two of whoever they want other than the top 5 ORG prospects.

Sox would be taking on about 100 million in salary spread over the next 4 years.

I'd certainly consider it. Trout slots into LF going forward to limit the wear on his body.

9 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

Not teams who show their first signs of life. And certainly not with anywhere near their top 5 or 6 prospects.

The Dodgers have won a WS and they aren't heavy buyers; Braves aren't;; Yankees don't. Rays don't. Brewers don't.
Padres buy heavy; Phillies buy heavy. Baltimore bought Trevor Rogers at the deadline - what a disaster for Baltimore - and a boon for Miami.

And really, the successful teams buy on margins - fill out the pen; a depth piece.

Don't repeat the Hahn disasters.

That I agree with. I wouldn’t go all-in this year or part with any of their top prospects. But if they can use some of their expendable guys (Jacob Gonzalez, Bergolla, etc) to fill needs on the MLB roster, I’d do that. Certainly wouldn’t move guys like Bonemer or Carlson. At least not yet.

Hahn measured trade (albeit not at deadline): Lance Lynn for Weems and Dunning.

Hahn ill-measured trade: Jeff Samardzija for 4 young players.

Just asking for a repeat of the Tatis trade: Billy Carlson for a couple of years of veteran X.

45 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

Not teams who show their first signs of life. And certainly not with anywhere near their top 5 or 6 prospects.

The Dodgers have won a WS and they aren't heavy buyers; Braves aren't;; Yankees don't. Rays don't. Brewers don't.
Padres buy heavy; Phillies buy heavy. Baltimore bought Trevor Rogers at the deadline - what a disaster for Baltimore - and a boon for Miami.

And really, the successful teams buy on margins - fill out the pen; a depth piece.

Don't repeat the Hahn disasters.

The Dodgers aren't heavy buyers? They've traded for Trea Turner and Max Scherzer in the same deal at a deadline in 2021.

They acquired Flaherty, Kopech and Edman the one year. The Dodgers dont belong on your list I dont think.

Yankees have also made big moves. Jazz, Rizzo and Gallo, Montas. Yankees also dont belong there in my opinion.

48 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

Not teams who show their first signs of life. And certainly not with anywhere near their top 5 or 6 prospects.

The Dodgers have won a WS and they aren't heavy buyers; Braves aren't;; Yankees don't. Rays don't. Brewers don't.
Padres buy heavy; Phillies buy heavy. Baltimore bought Trevor Rogers at the deadline - what a disaster for Baltimore - and a boon for Miami.

And really, the successful teams buy on margins - fill out the pen; a depth piece.

Don't repeat the Hahn disasters.

Most teams don't mortgage their future to get one level deeper in the playoffs. And most of the rich teams already have most of what they need. The Dodgers always have 16 pitchers coming off the IL and another 12 going on, so they always have fresh arms. A team like the Orioles looks to be at a weird point of their competitive curve, so they're finally spending some of their prospect capital.

5 hours ago, soxrwhite said:

With Hays and Pereira soon coming off IR and BMont hopefully coming up is it time to cut Acuna and eat the Benintendi contract? Or is it Hill and Kelenic who go?

Keep Hill as he's proving to be a solid 4th OF type. When Hays and Pereira come back and Montgomery comes up, assuming all 3 are healthy, you gotta launch Acuna, Benintendi, and Grichuk.

They'll have enough righty OFs with Hays, Pereira and Hill so don't need Grichuk, Acuna sucks and Benintendi can't play the OF. Use that spot to give guys a half day off. That OF is getting crowded if you want to play Hays, Pereira, Montgomery and Antonacci regularly.

Edit: I guess the problem with this is their IF depth gets thin and Sam Antonacci acts as the backup IF.

Edit 2: Acuna stay around as 26th man/save face for the salary dump trade and they can option Kelenic or Peters

Edited Thursday at 06:49 PM3 days by Bob Sacamano

6 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

The Dodgers aren't heavy buyers? They've traded for Trea Turner and Max Scherzer in the same deal at a deadline in 2021.

They acquired Flaherty, Kopech and Edman the one year. The Dodgers dont belong on your list I dont think.

Yankees have also made big moves. Jazz, Rizzo and Gallo, Montas. Yankees also dont belong there in my opinion.

Machado?

2 hours ago, GGajewski18 said:

I mentioned this weeks ago with my buddies.

I'd start the package with Carlson and Oppor and go from there

Insanity. The dude is a walking time bomb owed over double what the biggest contract Jerry has ever issued is. Unless Anaheim is taking on about 90% of that contract, I am not interested.