1 hour ago, Ozzie for Manager said:

There's is 1 run due to bradens error

And possibly both of the 2 runs.

1 hour ago, white sox 80 said:

Those type of errors by Montgomery is an excusable.

Like the other day letting a ball at him go past him, as well.

35 minutes ago, fathom said:

Probably, and if so…trade him for pitching or outfield help

FanGraphs Baseball

2026 Trade Value: Nos. 11-20

Today’s installment of the Trade Value Series features one big bopper, five of the most well-rounded young hitters in the game, and four dominant starters under team control. Gotta catch ’em all.

26th in future/trade value here

although not sure how he would be that far ahead of Vargas now

1 hour ago, Colome's Hat said:

Colson seriously needs a few days off.

I'm so done with this guy. He's completely clueless and chases everything. It's been nearly 2 months of this junk.

He's never hit above .245 higher than A+. He hit .214 & .218 in Charlotte in '24 & '25 respectively.

He needs to go back to Win-Sal and try again. Some guys just hit their ceiling at a certain level and right now, Colson's seems to be a few levels down.

Edited 1 hour ago1 hr by Rounding_Third

2 minutes ago, hankchifan said:

Like the other day letting a ball at him go past him, as well.

Youth.

Halpin had a misplay against the Sox nearly every time they ran him out there.

Same with Antonacci during stretches this year, physical/mental errors or throwing to wrong bases, missing cut off men, etc.

3 minutes ago, hankchifan said:

Like the other day letting a ball at him go past him, as well.

I get he's being aggressive. He'll be a good player eventually.

12 minutes ago, hankchifan said:

He should not be hitting cleanup.

Even analytics can't make that stuff up.

1 hour ago, Ozzie for Manager said:

No way to tell but overall I think we all can agree that the staff is much better than expected. Burke is a stud. Kay has been excellent and better than e thought. Martin has gone bad the last few weeks. Fedde has been fine and I think better than expected. Schultz has been the biggest disappointment.

1 hour ago, Ozzie for Manager said:

Let’s not forget that the Sox were counting on Shane Smith this year and his early exit this season created a void in the rotation.

Edited 1 hour ago1 hr by tomtom823
Typo

4 minutes ago, Rounding_Third said:

I'm so done with this guy. He's completely clueless and chases everything. It's been nearly 2 months of this junk.

He's never hit above .245 higher than A+. He hit .214 & .218 in Charlotte in '24 & '25 respectively.

He needs to go back to Win-Sal and try again. Some guys just hit their ceiling at a certain level and right now, Colson's seems to be a few levels down.

I don't think you hit 25 homers in the MLB and have your ceiling be a few levels down.

40 minutes ago, fathom said:

Probably, and if so…trade him for pitching or outfield help

ah the trade frenzy hoping that a GM wouldn't even notice what fans see

He's not rookie of the year and still only a year in baseball

It's not like he was batting .400 in the minors

3 minutes ago, tomtom823 said:

  1 hour ago, Ozzie for Manager said:

No way to tell but overall I think we all can agree that the staff is much better than expected. Burke is a stud. Kay has been excellent and better than e thought. Martin has gone bad the last few weeks. Fedde has been fine and I think better than expected. Schultz has been the biggest disappointment.

Over the entire season, Kay Fedde Castillo all rank among the bottom 15 in fWAR out 91 pitchers with over 100 IP.

Burke has been very good.

Davis is collapsing...or close to it.

Taylor the third highest value.

7 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:

I don't think you hit 25 homers in the MLB and have your ceiling be a few levels down.

PCA couldnt make contact with a tennis racket the last half of last year and for a decent part of the beginning of this year. It's crazy to make statements about a guy a year into his big league career as if there's no room for improvement.

Edited 1 hour ago1 hr by CBJ03

12 minutes ago, Rounding_Third said:

I'm so done with this guy. He's completely clueless and chases everything. It's been nearly 2 months of this junk.

He's never hit above .245 higher than A+. He hit .214 & .218 in Charlotte in '24 & '25 respectively.

He needs to go back to Win-Sal and try again. Some guys just hit their ceiling at a certain level and right now, Colson's seems to be a few levels down.

I really try and put an emphasis on not using pejoratives in my middle age on this forum but this is one of the dumbest fucking things I've read on here in my 20 years. You're telling a guy that set the WS quickest to 40 HR record that his level is high A ball? He put up 5 fucking WAR in 150 games.

He's in a slump, it happens. Look at fucking Cal Raleigh.

7 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:

I don't think you hit 25 homers in the MLB and have your ceiling be a few levels down.

even a blind squirrel....so many just plain bad pitches. Just 5 hr's in his last 170 AB's. Pitchers have figured his weaknesses. Now that he's a sucker for the "down & in" and misses by over a foot virtually every time, I would be surprised if that rate gets any better until he solves his "eye". He needs a lot of work.

Any start time update?

3 minutes ago, Rounding_Third said:

even a blind squirrel....so many just plain bad pitches. Just 5 hr's in his last 170 AB's. Pitchers have figured his weaknesses. Now that he's a sucker for the "down & in" and misses by over a foot virtually every time, I would be surprised if that rate gets any better until he solves his "eye". He needs a lot of work.

That's a lot of blind squirrels.

3 minutes ago, Rounding_Third said:

even a blind squirrel....so many just plain bad pitches. Just 5 hr's in his last 170 AB's. Pitchers have figured his weaknesses. Now that he's a sucker for the "down & in" and misses by over a foot virtually every time, I would be surprised if that rate gets any better until he solves his "eye". He needs a lot of work.

If that were true, 25 homeruns wouldn't be tied for top 10 in baseball right now.

1 hour ago, CBJ03 said:

I can't tell if this is a schtick or not. I cant believe that 160 career games is enough to want to get rid of a power hitting short stop or if you truly want to trade him.

Only slightly facetious. I think we're seeing what Colson is with his current stats. Streaky hitter who can hit homeruns in bunches, with long cold streaks where he strikes out a s%*# ton. In addition, back issues. And his defense hasn't been all that impressive in recent months.

If there are other teams that would be willing to pray a premium for him, then absolutely. We've got Roch waiting to take over at SS.

Edited 1 hour ago1 hr by ron883

9 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

I really try and put an emphasis on not using pejoratives in my middle age on this forum but this is one of the dumbest fucking things I've read on here in my 20 years. You're telling a guy that set the WS quickest to 40 HR record that his level is high A ball? He put up 5 fucking WAR in 150 games.

He's in a slump, it happens. Look at fucking Cal Raleigh.

Good point. That's a good example of what may happen to Colson.

9 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Over the entire season, Kay Fedde Castillo all rank among the bottom 15 in fWAR out 91 pitchers with over 100 IP.

Burke has been very good.

Davis is collapsing...or close to it.

Taylor the third highest value.

I don't think anyone thought fedde would be any better than that. Castillo is irrelevant to bannister and the sox since he just got here. That surprises me about Kay. Honestly he gives us a chance to win every game and with a 9-5 record, a sub 4 ERA and getting better as the season goes on he has exceeded my expectations. I don't know what you expected but he hasn't had an ERA under 5.14 in 6 MLB seasons prior.

What they are and what they are compared to expectations are 2 different things. We spent nothing on SPs so I feel we game exceeded expectations. Outside of Schultz of course.

But we have to sign some guys next year. You can't have this rotation next year

Having Shane Smith, Hagen Smith, Schultz and McDougal not being capable of starting at this point in the season is a huge issue

11 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

I really try and put an emphasis on not using pejoratives in my middle age on this forum but this is one of the dumbest fucking things I've read on here in my 20 years. You're telling a guy that set the WS quickest to 40 HR record that his level is high A ball? He put up 5 fucking WAR in 150 games.

He's in a slump, it happens. Look at fucking Cal Raleigh.

When it's virtually a 1/3 of a season its more than a slump. Also, his full season RISP BA is .190 and his BA after the 5th inning is .150. This is certainly not worth of a middle of the order hitter, just so little clutch. Even AJ & Wainwright were somewhat critical of him yesterday.

4 minutes ago, ron883 said:

Good point. That's a good example of what may happen to Colson.

Raleigh also tried playing through an oblique strain that was nasty for like a month plus.

13 minutes ago, hi8is said:

Any start time update?

no. But there is another thunderstorm that is supposed to start in 60 minutes.