11 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

"That's where I learned the f***/marry/kill game."

Wut???

Last time, you brought up porn out of the blue.

Seriously, I'm almost 57 and I have never looked at women so simplistically, and certainly not in the workplace.

I mean some women also have their "bigger better deal" approach to men too, but if you treat them respectfully...you get that respect back in return. And, no, that doesn't automatically mean being a doormat/getting walked all over.

As far as how you know they will find someone better...we shall see.

Sox aren't exactly known for paying front office guys the most, except Hahn as Asst GM.

You give the other person 3 names, and they have to tell you, from those three people you both know, which one they'd copulate with, which one they'd marry, and which one they'd kill. The drinky convo was explaining your logic. Okay, you go first. WS23, SS2k5 and Paulie4Prez.

3 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

You don't know f***/marry/kill? A bunch of 30-somethings out of Big 10 colleges, move to Chicago. Market Research is an alcoholic industry. Long hours, everybody hits Billy Goat's afterwards. Around 8:00, after 2 hours of drinking, stories start coming out, whatever. We got respect through the long hours and bailing each other's asses out. I started a couple years before internet surveys became a thing in the late 1990s. Ronin and SPSS really hadn't honed their online products, yet. We'd program "Computer Surveys" to launch from an icon off a CD, send them to mall recruiting sites, then they'd send back data on disc. Trying to iron out survey logic issues until the FedEx cutoff at 9:00. Miss that and you have to drive to the airport to make the 10:00 cutoff.

Anyway, everybody's checking everybody else out. Respectfully.

Sounds like another less high profile version of Liar's Poker, American Psycho and A Man in Full.

Maybe yours has less cocaine and yachts/strippers involved compared to the East Coast Wolf of Wall Street types.

Edited 22 hours ago22 hr by caulfield12

7 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

You give the other person 3 names, and they have to tell you, from those three people you both know, which one they'd copulate with, which one they'd marry, and which one they'd kill. The drinky convo was explaining your logic. Okay, you go first. WS23, SS2k5 and Paulie4Prez.

I know what it is lol.

Geez.

What next, lessons from The Game about PUA's?

2 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Sounds like another less high profile version of Liar's Poker, American Psycho and A Man in Full.

Maybe yours has less cocaine and strippere involved than Wall Street types.

The more I reminisce, I guess you're right. In that environment, it was more like college friends, and some of the women - I'd get in regular arguments with over work expectations, conduct and stuff, co-workers compared it to siblings. There were attractive women, but nobody I'd start vomiting out lurid, vulgar stuff like maybe Shirley did. Everybody trusted each other. And the ugly stuff crosses a line and destroys that trust that makes the workplace work, even when people get baudy and open up to each other.

Now, retail in my teens (70s-80s) and construction in my 20s (1980s), racist and sexist like you wouldn't believe. The Rodney King riots happened then. Boy, the conversation at the lumber warehouse with other truck drivers who watched the footage.

8 hours ago, WestEddy said:

You Millennials through Gen Zers are funny. Shirley's a baseball guy in a male-centric industry. Let's not pat ourselves on the back for tsk-tsking so heartily. I'm 63. In pretty much all my jobs before 30, bosses were taking me aside, asking asking me if I was banging the secretary or whatnot. And if I wasn't, somebody oughta be. They wanted lurid war stories. Maybe this is frowned upon today, but it's all over the place still, I'm sure. I worked in corporate mid-30's to age 50, and I never had to worry about saying something stupid because the women were worse than the men with after-hours, drinky-time baudy talk. That's where I learned the f***/marry/kill game.

I'm sure the Sox drew a line in the sand after the first investigation, and kept an eye on it, tolerating any hot-headed BS because he did his job fine, but keep those slurs out of your mouth. As soon as the Area Code games stuff bubbled up, that was a bridge too far. The fact that it happened and he was gone tells me it was a live issue they were ready to move on. Listening to the FutureSox PodCast right now. They'll plug in somebody better than Shirley quick, and only Caulfield will be bringing this up in order to shame the happy dogs in 6 months.

Maybe this is frowned upon today? Dude this is one of the worst posts I have ever seen you throw out.

Honestly what the f*** is this thread

23 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

Maybe this is frowned upon today? Dude this is one of the worst posts I have ever seen you throw out.

Honestly what the f*** is this thread

Strange considering how WE reacted to the Clevinger news three years ago. Not the exact same thing here but you would think there would be a similar reaction to this sort of garbage as well.

Edited 14 hours ago14 hr by WhiteSox2023

12 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Strange considering how WE reacted to the Clevinger news three years ago. Not the exact same thing here but you would think there would be a similar reaction to this sort of garbage as well.

Guy was allegedly spitting chewing tobacco on his infant and kicking the baby and mother out of the house in the middle of the night. No clue what Shirley said but it's apples to oranges.

36 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

Maybe this is frowned upon today? Dude this is one of the worst posts I have ever seen you throw out.

Honestly what the f*** is this thread

TLDR: It's ok to be trash, I was trash decades ago too!

18 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Strange considering how WE reacted to the Clevinger news three years ago. Not the exact same thing here but you would think there would be a similar reaction to this sort of garbage as well.

Yet the MLB took no action and Clevinger didn’t lose his job. Perhaps there may have been more evidence of the accusations against Shirley. The White Sox apparently didn’t treat Shirley with zero tolerance considering there was a previous allegation against him in 2022.

Edited 13 hours ago13 hr by WhiteSox2023

32 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

TLDR: It's ok to be trash, I was trash decades ago too!

It’s just tremendously weird that there is a large subset of people who openly opine for the better days when they could openly insult people in work spaces and it was fine.

I don’t come to work for that. I don’t want to do that to other people. Just doesn’t make sense

10 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

It’s just tremendously weird that there is a large subset of people who openly opine for the better days when they could openly insult people in work spaces and it was fine.

I don’t come to work for that. I don’t want to do that to other people. Just doesn’t make sense

The whole point of growing up is to actually grow up. We should be proud to get better. We are did stupid things as kids, and the worst of them I am glad to have learned from.

12 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

It’s just tremendously weird that there is a large subset of people who openly opine for the better days when they could openly insult people in work spaces and it was fine.

I don’t come to work for that. I don’t want to do that to other people. Just doesn’t make sense

Well, anyone doing that in a corporate environment these days would probably be shitcanned pretty quickly.

Here’s the way I see it:

Yes, it’s unfortunate and embarrassing for the organization that there’s a history of appalling behavior among staff.

Yes, Shirley’s resignation does not magically undo what those affected experienced.

Yes, sadly, I do think this kind of thing continues to go on across the league, whether unreported or without repercussions.

BUT at least Shirley is no longer one of them. It’s one less shitty scumbag that people have to be subjected to.

Is there any update on who will take Shirley's position?

4 minutes ago, Falstaff said:

Is there any update on who will take Shirley's position?

No news yet but word is that @WBWSF may be looking to interview, as Jerry already has his resume.

14 minutes ago, Falstaff said:

Is there any update on who will take Shirley's position?

I have to imagine with them just extending the guy, they weren't exactly ready for this.

21 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Well, anyone doing that in a corporate environment these days would probably be shitcanned pretty quickly.

They literally just ran 9ff the head prosecutor from the International Criminal Court for this type of stuff.

Lockeroom talk will never go away. Sunday mornings, my wife and ai go for a real long walk. Yesterday we were up by Wrigley before there gane. The vendors on the street were selling

SMFDB

-PCA

shirts. People were buying them all proud. I had to tell my wife what the letters stood for. She now hates the Cubs.

6 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

Lockeroom talk will never go away. Sunday mornings, my wife and ai go for a real long walk. Yesterday we were up by Wrigley before there gane. The vendors on the street were selling

SMFDB

-PCA

shirts. People were buying them all proud. I had to tell my wife what the letters stood for. She now hates the Cubs.

Those dudes will do anything for a buck. Remember the Fukudome / Harry Carey “Horry Kow” t-shirts?

12 hours ago, Paulie4Pres said:

It's 2026. My beer league hockey teams don't even do that kind of s%*#, and there are no consequences if we do. This guy was a piece of s%*# through and through. Imagine what he says in private, if what he said in public was enough to get him shitcanned.

I am also going to say outloud that human nature doesn't work like that. You don't have a single incident in 2021/22, and then not say or do anything like this for 4-5 years, and then all of the sudden you are acting like this as the scouting worlds biggest event in 2026. It's a curve that accelerates over time until they are perfectly fine saying stuff like this in public, because they have no fear of consequences. That doesn't happen overnight. You build up to that little by little. It starts at a whisper in private, and works up to not caring who is around, and that takes time. I 100% believe this was a worlds worst secret kind of thing in the front office, because nothing else makes sense. You don't go from 100 to 0 to 100. Granted, I am sure there will be an effort to make sure no one speaks of this again, so we probably never get the current people on the record, but I can almost promise you that human nature dictates that the Sox knew about this happening on a regular basis, whether we ever learn the truth about it or not.

4 hours ago, Kyyle23 said:

Maybe this is frowned upon today? Dude this is one of the worst posts I have ever seen you throw out.

Honestly what the f*** is this thread

this kind of stuff actually happened........one of the last places I worked was not very professional. I look back on it now............it sure seems evil today and rightfully so.

Do we have any shrinks that post on Soxtalk? IMO, Shirley self-destructed.

41 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Those dudes will do anything for a buck. Remember the Fukudome / Harry Carey “Horry Kow” t-shirts?

Or "Ozzie mows my lawn" that he ended up buying and wearing.

3 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:

Or "Ozzie mows my lawn" that he ended up buying and wearing.

I totally forgot that one. Ozzie knew how to diffuse it and be funny at the same time.

I'm wondering if Shirley is one reason why the Sox haven't drafted any African-American players of any consequence since Tim Anderson back in 2013. I mean, I can't think of one Black player that they've drafted since then, in any round.