Gene Honda Civic Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Chris Snopek he was the Timo Perez of the mid 90's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Bartolo Colon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 James Baldwin  Kenny Lofton  David Wells  Mike Caruso (third in 1998 rookie of the year voting)  Terry Bevington (managerial division) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kapkomet Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 oh yea, I forgot about Terry "fatass" Bevington too. I love the phantom call to the bullpen game. I was there for that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonxctf Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 im flip-flopping and changing my vote to Jamie Navarro from Loaiza. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 How about all the young arms in the White Sox farm system in the mid 90's? Scott Ruffcorn rings a bell.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammerhead johnson Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 Ron Kittle. His 1983 Fleer rookie card was worth close to $40 early on, but by the time his career had ended, it was worth a whopping 25 cents. Â And the "legendary" Scott Ruffcorn.... :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 I can't believe you'd bag on Jose V that way. Â George Bell is the perfect answer! Any clown who complains during the playoffs about playing time ... geez, maybe our organization is jinxed. The bastard complains about playing time during the fricking playoffs. No Sox fan should ever forgive him for that crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 Oh I didn't see this thread, but by far and away its Jose Valentin. I put my remarks on him in the most underrated thread, but I'll copy and paste them into this post a little later. Â I've always been amazed at the following he's gotten despite the fact that he is an awful, inconsistent player who is completely selfish (he may be a good baserunner, but he thinks about hitting the long ball more then anyone else on this team). Did I mention I could strike him out. All I'd have to do is throw 3 semi decent curves and he'd have absolutely no chacne. Â I was shocked that it took till this year, before I saw pitchers only throw him a breaking ball...after I had been saying it since 2000. The guy absolutely can not pick up, nor can he hit a breaking ball. He has enough trouble with hanging breaking balls, but throw him a fastball and he's got a shot to make you pay, especially a middle in one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 No Koch yet?? Mabye we should do biggest busts? but I vote Koch. I'd go with Navarro cause he was completely awful and given a long term contract as a free agent. The only positive about Navarro was that he brought Eldred and Jose in 2000, both of whom were cogs in the 2000 season, although Valentin was over-rated that year and that season alone has kept him in the good graces of so many Sox fans to the fact that I (who can't stand Jose) have had to watch him at short for the past few years. Â Man will I be happy next year with someone else at short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxman352000 Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 DJÂ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 Oh I didn't see this thread, but by far and away its Jose Valentin. I put my remarks on him in the most underrated thread, but I'll copy and paste them into this post a little later. I've always been amazed at the following he's gotten despite the fact that he is an awful, inconsistent player who is completely selfish (he may be a good baserunner, but he thinks about hitting the long ball more then anyone else on this team). Did I mention I could strike him out. All I'd have to do is throw 3 semi decent curves and he'd have absolutely no chacne.  I was shocked that it took till this year, before I saw pitchers only throw him a breaking ball...after I had been saying it since 2000. The guy absolutely can not pick up, nor can he hit a breaking ball. He has enough trouble with hanging breaking balls, but throw him a fastball and he's got a shot to make you pay, especially a middle in one. I looked back at some old threads about Jose, and they are mostly vitriol. How can you say he was overrated when he wasn't rated highly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 How about all the young arms in the White Sox farm system in the mid 90's? Scott Ruffcorn rings a bell.... Ohhh My!!! There's a whole list...  Larry Thomas Rodney Bolton Brian Drahman Scott Ruffcorn Chris Clemons Scott Eyre James Baldwin Johnny Ruffin Domingo Jean Andrew Lorraine Mike Bertotti   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 Mike Caruso (third in 1998 rookie of the year voting) He was terrible. He was decent at best, but any idiot could tell his rookie year was a fluke. And to think a slap hitter like him was a top prospect through the minors. :puke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 Ohhh My!!! There's a whole list... Larry Thomas Rodney Bolton Brian Drahman Scott Ruffcorn Chris Clemons Scott Eyre James Baldwin Johnny Ruffin Domingo Jean Andrew Lorraine Mike Bertotti   Well, Baldwin at least did something. About half the time he pulled his weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlo Paz Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 What about Ozzie Guillen? One of the most popular and highly regarded Sox of all time. An absolute liability offensively. Did he ever have an OBP above .300? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 Well, Baldwin at least did something. About half the time he pulled his weight. Was overrated tho. I remember reading an article saying his fastball was in the mid 90's... Yeah Right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 What about Ozzie Guillen? One of the most popular and highly regarded Sox of all time. An absolute liability offensively. Did he ever have an OBP above .300? Only four times through out his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 Now: Borchard Past: G. Bell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 The definitive answer to this question is ...... Harry Chappas. He was a Sports Illustrated cover boy in spring training, totally hyped as the next coming of Luis Aparicio... then hit bottom so hard there was a distinct, sickening, thud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
israel4ever Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 What about Ozzie Guillen? One of the most popular and highly regarded Sox of all time. An absolute liability offensively. Did he ever have an OBP above .300? Took the words out of my mouth.  Ozzie sucked, and was one of the dumbest ball players I have ever seen. How many times did we see that idiot try to advance from second to third on a groundball to the shortstop? Or, how many times did we see him try to get a guy at home when the opposing team had 1st and 3rd (with < 2 outs) and the grounder was hit to him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 Sorry if he's been mentioned, but RAY F'N DURHAM. I never liked this guy. I know he may have some stats to back it up, but he was hitting in a lineup with Frank near his prime. This guy always sucked to me, especially in the field. Â I just never liked him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted September 23, 2004 Author Share Posted September 23, 2004 Sorry if he's been mentioned, but RAY F'N DURHAM. I never liked this guy. I know he may have some stats to back it up, but he was hitting in a lineup with Frank near his prime. This guy always sucked to me, especially in the field. I just never liked him good answer (clap,clap,clap).... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted September 23, 2004 Share Posted September 23, 2004 Ohhh My!!! There's a whole list... Larry Thomas Rodney Bolton Brian Drahman Scott Ruffcorn Chris Clemons Scott Eyre James Baldwin Johnny Ruffin Domingo Jean Andrew Lorraine Mike Bertotti   Scott Eyre actually turned into a pretty decent middle reliever with the Giants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted September 23, 2004 Author Share Posted September 23, 2004 as far as minor leaguers go, anyone remember adam peterson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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