RockRaines Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 QUOTE(daa84 @ Jul 25, 2007 -> 03:00 PM) i think his upside is juan pierre right now, not juan pierre of 2003....i also dont think hell be quite the base stealer pierre was/is I actually think he could be a better base stealer, right now his only weakness is his jump and read, something you gain with major league experience. Seeing him take a bag off of I-roid was pretty impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 (edited) QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jul 25, 2007 -> 04:12 PM) I actually think he could be a better base stealer, right now his only weakness is his jump and read, something you gain with major league experience. Seeing him take a bag off of I-roid was pretty impressive. IMO, Owens is a much, much better base stealer than Pods. I just hope he stays consistant with it. It's been a while since I've seen a player (well... on the sox) steal on delay steal attempts. Edited July 25, 2007 by SoxAce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jul 25, 2007 -> 02:12 PM) I actually think he could be a better base stealer, right now his only weakness is his jump and read, something you gain with major league experience. Seeing him take a bag off of I-roid was pretty impressive. And while Podsednik doesn't give much phsyically right now, there may well be few better teachers of stolen base technique available these days. He became such a good base stealer not because he was the fastest player in the big leagues, but because he had the technique down pat. So that is one potential benefit of having those 2 on the same team for the next month or two (can we bring Pods back next year as our 1st base coach?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 25, 2007 -> 04:16 PM) And while Podsednik doesn't give much phsyically right now, there may well be few better teachers of stolen base technique available these days. He became such a good base stealer not because he was the fastest player in the big leagues, but because he had the technique down pat. So that is one potential benefit of having those 2 on the same team for the next month or two (can we bring Pods back next year as our 1st base coach?). PODS even did that with probably the worst first step of any prolific base stealer in our lifetime. He wasted a step, yet had such a good read and step count that he made up for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 I hope we see Owens on the major league roster for a while. He's certainly not going to be an everyday player imo, but he's a fantastic fielder, borderline great base stealer and he can get you the occasional base hit. 4th outfielder material if you ask me. But if we see him in the lineup everyday next season, things will get ugly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 (edited) He isn't a fantastic fielder, imo. To be a fantastic fielder, you have to have a good arm in my book. Edited July 25, 2007 by max power Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSoxfan1986 Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jul 24, 2007 -> 03:12 PM) Another way to ask this. Ozzie is going to have his limited power small guy at the top of the order next year no matter what. Assume this statement is correct, and then answer this question: who would you like that to be? 1. Scott Podsednik 2. Darrin Erstad 3. Jerry Owens Owens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 Bump I didn't vote the first time around on this thread, but let me say that I home he is not our lead off man next year. Also, it drives me insane how slow he is to get the ball back to the infield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Aug 19, 2007 -> 09:20 AM) Bump I didn't vote the first time around on this thread, but let me say that I home he is not our lead off man next year. Also, it drives me insane how slow he is to get the ball back to the infield. and when he does... it 10 feet over everyone's head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 The answer is yes, Jerry Owens stinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 The answer is yes, Jerry Owens stinks. I disagree, he's worse than that. I wonder what he would do over a full season of play. I'm guessing .241/.263/.270 with about 40 Stolen bases which Ozzie would use to justify playing him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Aug 19, 2007 -> 10:26 AM) The answer is yes, Jerry Owens stinks. I disagree awful and terrible are much better choices of adjectives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 I wonder if there is any way of getting Ellsbury from the Red Sox in the offseason... or to a lesser extent Crisp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 Owens has hit .263/.306/.306 since his second call-up, which has drawn immense praise from the organization and TV booth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearSox Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 I forgot about Chone Figgins... He'll likely be available in the offseason and would be a good option for leadoff and LF. Plus, if Richar doesn't pan out, we could just move Figgins to 2B and Sweeney could come up to play LF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 QUOTE(BearSox @ Aug 19, 2007 -> 11:36 AM) I forgot about Chone Figgins... He'll likely be available in the offseason and would be a good option for leadoff and LF. Plus, if Richar doesn't pan out, we could just move Figgins to 2B and Sweeney could come up to play LF. If the price is right, I would love to get Figgins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Aug 19, 2007 -> 10:39 AM) I disagree, he's worse than that. I wonder what he would do over a full season of play. I'm guessing .241/.263/.270 with about 40 Stolen bases which Ozzie would use to justify playing him. Football players everywhere must cringe at his slugging pct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwolf68 Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 QUOTE(BearSox @ Aug 19, 2007 -> 12:18 PM) I wonder if there is any way of getting Ellsbury from the Red Sox in the offseason... or to a lesser extent Crisp. Ellsbury will end up with the White Sox in 2023....We act like Dan Snyder of the Redkins used to act...signing all these big named players at the end of their useful playing career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 QUOTE(BearSox @ Aug 19, 2007 -> 11:18 AM) I wonder if there is any way of getting Ellsbury from the Red Sox in the offseason... or to a lesser extent Crisp. We should draft our own Ellsbury -- problem solved. Don't have to worry about trading for anyone. We can then draft our own Clay Buchholz while we're at it. Imagine that for a second; drafting players comparable those two with our first two selections. Seems almost impossible to expect, I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Aug 19, 2007 -> 09:07 PM) We should draft our own Ellsbury -- problem solved. Don't have to worry about trading for anyone. We can then draft our own Clay Buchholz while we're at it. Imagine that for a second; drafting players comparable those two with our first two selections. Seems almost impossible to expect, I know. But...but...but....we don't draft high enough to get possible superstars. Any bulls*** excuse like that is null and void after we were as cheap as possible this draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Aug 19, 2007 -> 10:52 AM) If the price is right, I would love to get Figgins. +1, with emphasis on the first point of that statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 19, 2007 Author Share Posted August 19, 2007 (edited) I know it's bad to over-react concerning young prospects, but my gawd Owens just swings through the ball so many times. Whiff. Ditto Richar who is starting to resemble Bee Bee Richard. The Sox have so many holes for next year as they get passed by the Royals in the standings. I don't know what KW is going to do. There's the potential for one of the worst teams in Sox history if the starting rotation starts to pitch the way Jon pitched today and Jose has pitched and Danks has pitched. A glass half full guy would see positive signs in Richar, Owens, Fields. A glass half empty guy would see bad defense in Fields and a lotta strikeouts in all our young hitters. Man I don't know about this team. But I am starting to think Owens can't hit. Edited August 19, 2007 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 QUOTE(greg775 @ Aug 19, 2007 -> 05:59 PM) But I am starting to think Owens can't hit. And to bring up another sore subject, I think we is getting a lot more leeway than Brian Anderson ever did purely in terms of not hitting at the major league level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klaus kinski Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 As he says: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 19, 2007 Share Posted August 19, 2007 QUOTE(greg775 @ Aug 19, 2007 -> 05:59 PM) I know it's bad to over-react concerning young prospects, but my gawd Owens just swings through the ball so many times. Whiff. Ditto Richar who is starting to resemble Bee Bee Richard. The Sox have so many holes for next year as they get passed by the Royals in the standings. I don't know what KW is going to do. There's the potential for one of the worst teams in Sox history if the starting rotation starts to pitch the way Jon pitched today and Jose has pitched and Danks has pitched. A glass half full guy would see positive signs in Richar, Owens, Fields. A glass half empty guy would see bad defense in Fields and a lotta strikeouts in all our young hitters. Man I don't know about this team. But I am starting to think Owens can't hit. Look at the bright side, the Sox back-up catchers have driven in 2 runs this season. That's pretty impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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