August 8, 200916 yr QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Aug 7, 2009 -> 08:16 PM) AL waiver order as of today: 1) KC 2) BAL 3) CLE 4) OAK 5) TOR 6) MIN 7) CWS 8) SEA 9) TB 10) DET 11) TEX 12) BOS 13) NYY 14) LAA Let me see... Cross out: Oakland, they dumped Holliday because of money. Cleveland's dumping salary. Minnesota wouldn't pick him up because of his salary. It's doubtful that Detroit would either. Angels have too many high OF salaries already. I doubt, KC, BAL, SEA, TEX would invest in Rios. The only A.L. teams that make some sense would be Chicago, New York, and Tampa Bay (claimed to block the Yankees and Red Sox).
August 8, 200916 yr QUOTE (Kalapse @ Aug 7, 2009 -> 07:29 PM) Well that's exciting. For the record: I'd be all for it. Damn Kal I thought for sure you would agree with me on this one.
August 8, 200916 yr QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Aug 7, 2009 -> 07:30 PM) Only question I have here is... if Rios has a NT could he still nix a trade? Yes. I wouldn't really have a problem with this, depending on who we give up obviously.
August 8, 200916 yr QUOTE (SHIPPS @ Aug 7, 2009 -> 07:30 PM) Damn Kal I thought for sure you would agree with me on this one. Eh, you're going to be in the minority here I'm guessing. It's real hard to argue with stuff like this.
August 8, 200916 yr I am near positive he has a NT clause Rios has been claimed off waivers by an unspecified team, ESPN reports. The Blue Jays can now trade him to the club, let the club claim him outright or pull him back off waivers. Recommendation: Given that Rios has more than $60 million and six years left on his contract, it would seem likely that he'll be traded so that Toronto can reduce payroll. However, he does have a no-trade clause which could block a deal. (Rotowire.com)
August 8, 200916 yr The Giants would be the best destination for Rios. I'm hearing they're not interested though. Bit weird when they're running Velez out their every night.
August 8, 200916 yr QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Aug 7, 2009 -> 07:36 PM) The Giants would be the best destination for Rios. I'm hearing they're not interested though. Bit weird when they're running Velez out their every night. It wouldn't matter even if they were interested, Rios was claimed by an AL ballclub.
August 8, 200916 yr QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Aug 7, 2009 -> 07:30 PM) Only question I have here is... if Rios has a NT could he still nix a trade? It could, but he couldnt block a waiver claim if TOR just let him go.
August 8, 200916 yr NTC shouldn't be a problem for Rios though, I mean we're talking about the Blue Jays here. He gets to go to a contender and have CF all to himself! Vs. RHP DH Thome/CQ/Dye LF CQ/Pods CF Pods/Rios RF Dye/Rios Vs. LHP DH CQ LF Pods CF Rios RF Dye Rios plays all the time vs. lefties, then gives Pods, Dye, and CQ days off against tough matchups, also takes over CF no matter what when we play in Comerica Lineup vs. LHP LF Podsednik 3B Beckham RF Dye 1B Konerko DH Quentin C Pierzynski CF Rios SS Ramirez 2B Getz Speed, speed, speed....
August 8, 200916 yr Looking at how the contract is structured, I actually think there is a pretty good chance that the Sox claimed him. They have a lot of money coming off the books in the next few years and Rios fits a need.
August 8, 200916 yr This is an unmitigated success for the Blue Jays and probably a disaster for the team that picks them up. I mean, the Blue Jays just probably cleared enough money off their books to keep Halladay.
August 8, 200916 yr QUOTE (Kalapse @ Aug 7, 2009 -> 08:38 PM) It wouldn't matter even if they were interested, Rios was claimed by an AL ballclub. Ah, hadn't read that Kalapse. Thanks.
August 8, 200916 yr Well, if we did claim Rios, Kenny has to be ready to walk away. My guess is Ricciardi understands the situation we're in going forward, understands KW's motivation, and will try and ask for Jordan Danks. Personally, I would let them have Jordan if that is what it takes....but I don't know what the politics are behind that and the promises that may have been made behind the scenes... Do we think KW has the patience to call Ricciardi's bluff?
August 8, 200916 yr QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Aug 7, 2009 -> 08:48 PM) Looking at how the contract is structured, I actually think there is a pretty good chance that the Sox claimed him. They have a lot of money coming off the books in the next few years and Rios fits a need. Low OBP centerfielder who really should be playing a corner spot? We have that one covered pretty well for a lot cheaper, thank you very much.
August 8, 200916 yr QUOTE (BlackBetsy @ Aug 7, 2009 -> 08:03 PM) Low OBP centerfielder who really should be playing a corner spot? We have that one covered pretty well for a lot cheaper, thank you very much. Why do you suggest he should be playing a corner spot?
August 8, 200916 yr QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 7, 2009 -> 09:02 PM) Well, if we did claim Rios, Kenny has to be ready to walk away. My guess is Ricciardi understands the situation we're in going forward, understands KW's motivation, and will try and ask for Jordan Danks. Personally, I would let them have Jordan if that is what it takes....but I don't know what the politics are behind that and the promises that may have been made behind the scenes... Do we think KW has the patience to call Ricciardi's bluff? Well, in the Halladay talks, it was said that Riccardi did not like anyone in the Sox system (I'm sure that means of those in play). At this point, I'd guess that the Sox won't want to trade anyone, and will just take the salary if possible.
August 8, 200916 yr Rios is a CF and would play CF for the Sox. Well, if we did claim Rios, Kenny has to be ready to walk away. My guess is Ricciardi understands the situation we're in going forward, understands KW's motivation, and will try and ask for Jordan Danks. Personally, I would let them have Jordan if that is what it takes....but I don't know what the politics are behind that and the promises that may have been made behind the scenes... Do we think KW has the patience to call Ricciardi's bluff? If the Sox were willing to give up Danks, theyd have made a trade before he was put on waivers. If the Sox are taking the contract they better not be giving up any talent.
August 8, 200916 yr QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 7, 2009 -> 08:02 PM) Well, if we did claim Rios, Kenny has to be ready to walk away. My guess is Ricciardi understands the situation we're in going forward, understands KW's motivation, and will try and ask for Jordan Danks. Personally, I would let them have Jordan if that is what it takes....but I don't know what the politics are behind that and the promises that may have been made behind the scenes... Do we think KW has the patience to call Ricciardi's bluff? Kenny doesn't need patience. He has ALL the leverage here. If the Sox got the claim, and Jays ownership wants that salary off the books ASAP, then Ricciardi is the one who has to break. Otherwise, Kenny can just go into the offseason with lots of payroll flexibility and be an immediate target for any team forced to dump a good player because of payroll concerns. Edit: Kenny should make his best (very minimal) offer right out of the gate and let the Jays mull it over. If the Jays want more, Kenny can just walk away. Now that Rios' contract has been claimed it will be interesting to see if ownership gets involved and forces Ricciardi's hand regardless of how he feels about the talent package offered in return. Edited August 8, 200916 yr by Kenny Hates Prospects
August 8, 200916 yr QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Aug 7, 2009 -> 08:06 PM) Kenny doesn't need patience. He has ALL the leverage here. If the Sox got the claim, and Jays ownership wants that salary off the books ASAP, then Ricciardi is the one who has to break. Otherwise, Kenny can just go into the offseason with lots of payroll flexibility and be an immediate target for any team forced to dump a good player because of payroll concerns. I agree that is probably what would happen should he refuse to give up anyone of substance. However, JP has to know KW is looking at this as an opportunity to solve a long-term problem for the White Sox. Does Kenny just sacrifice a prospect to assure the deal gets done? I would be tempted... However, you're absolutely correct, if he holds firm, he probably gets his man nonetheless.
August 8, 200916 yr 7:58pm: John Fay of The Cincinnati Enquirer reports that "someone high in the front office" confirms that the Reds did not claim Rios.
August 8, 200916 yr They are getting salary relief, if thats not enough to get it done, we can wait till next year and see what options are available for 9mil.
August 8, 200916 yr No way would I give up Jordan Danks for Rios. Shelby, Gartrell, Morel, Cassel, Ely, Shirek, Jones, Link, Harrell, would be guys that I'd offer.
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