southsider2k5 Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 20, 2010 -> 05:35 PM) Interesting thing about this is that a team could theoretically lose on purpose to improve it's claiming position over the course of two days... Giving away games at this point would be suicide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 20, 2010 -> 05:42 PM) Giving away games at this point would be suicide. Well I'm commenting more on the rules of the process than on our situation, specifically. Imagine a scenario whereby two AL East teams both wanted a player and happened to be playing a series against one another when the player was put on waivers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 20, 2010 -> 05:49 PM) Well I'm commenting more on the rules of the process than on our situation, specifically. Imagine a scenario whereby two AL East teams both wanted a player and happened to be playing a series against one another when the player was put on waivers... I can't see a team thinking a player was worth essentially two games at this point of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 20, 2010 -> 04:50 PM) I can't see a team thinking a player was worth essentially two games at this point of the season. I can, if those two teams had a virtual lock on two playoff spots already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 20, 2010 -> 05:35 PM) Interesting thing about this is that a team could theoretically lose on purpose to improve it's claiming position over the course of two days... So thats why Thornton threw that s*** pitch to Thome on Tuesday! Its all part of the master plan to get Manny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Aug 20, 2010 -> 02:44 PM) I think Kenny is targeting Manny and he's gonna try and get him soon: Per mlb.com: If Manny does get by all NL clubs on waivers, the American League clubs who could potentially benefit this summer from Ramirez with reasonable shots at the playoffs probably include -- in order of claim priority as of today -- Chicago, Texas, Boston, Minnesota, New York, and Tampa Bay. If multiple AL clubs were to place claims, the one with the worst win-loss record would have the prevailing claim. Here's where it can be a little tricky: The standings are viewed for the purposes of claim priority as of the time the claim window closes, which is two days after the player is placed on waivers, not when the window opens. In other words, Los Angeles wouldn't necessarily be able to time the waiver request to steer Ramirez to the team it wants to deal with. Who will want Ramirez? If Ramirez does go unclaimed in the National League, the White Sox may very well make the prevailing claim. Recall that Chicago reportedly made a run at Ramirez on July 31 (after failing to get Washington to part with Adam Dunn) but got nowhere with its demand not only that it wouldn't give up any player of consequence but also that Los Angeles would have to cover all but $1 million of Ramirez's remaining salary. Ramirez earns $20 million in 2010, the final year of a two-year, $45 million contract he signed in March 2009. Of the $20 million owed for 2010, only $5 million is actually payable this year, with the remaining $15 million deferred without interest ($3.33 million due in June 2011; $3.33 million due in June 2012; and $8.33 million due in June 2013). Deferred compensation would be prorated based on when the dollars are earned (not when payable), and so any team picking Ramirez up for what amounts to the final fifth of the season would be obligated to him for about $1 million over the remainder of the season, and about $3 million more spread out over the next three seasons (with the Dodgers on the hook for the rest of the deferred portion). But in the event of a trade, those allocations could be negotiable. The point of the dollars discussion is that the money shouldn't be a major impediment. So if Chicago decided not to put in a claim, then Texas, Boston (surely only to block), Minnesota, New York, and Tampa Bay might find reasons not to do so themselves, but probably not fiscal ones. And again: If Ramirez were to go fully unclaimed, Los Angeles would be free to discuss a trade with any club. So I guess RME JICO was wrong when he told me this when I asked that question a few weeks ago..... QUOTE (RME JICO @ Aug 12, 2010 -> 02:18 AM) It can't be variable and change within the 48 hours, so it has to be when the player is actually put on waivers. That is the order of precedence that teams can acquire them. So the start of the 48 hour time period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank_Thomas Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 (edited) Ken_Rosenthal #Dodgers activating Manny tonight. Will be in lineup. #waiverclaim #MLB about 7 hours ago ........ Went 0/3 with 2 Ks. No rehab stint like they talked about? Seems like they are rushing him back to put him on waivers by the 31st. Although at this point a Sox claim of Manny seems to be a waste. Our BP is blown out. And the DH didn't help the problem. Edited August 22, 2010 by Frank_Thomas35 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Aug 22, 2010 -> 01:00 AM) Ken_Rosenthal #Dodgers activating Manny tonight. Will be in lineup. #waiverclaim #MLB about 7 hours ago ........ Went 0/3 with 2 Ks. No rehab stint like they talked about? Seems like they are rushing him back to put him on waivers by the 31st. Although at this point a Sox claim of Manny seems to be a waste. Our BP is blown out. And the DH didn't help the problem. He did a rehab stint for 2-3 days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 The White Sox are 2.5 games worse than Boston right now. We are the team in the AL most likely to get him according to Rosenthal. Not to mention we are one of the very few teams Manny will accept a trade to. I think this story may have something to it. . stay tuned. Here is the Rosenthal video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 (edited) I hope the Sox don't bring in Manny. Cheating prima donna is what he is. If anyone really think he's going to make himself a ton of money by actually trying in September, I think you couldn't be more wrong. The teams that overpay ridiculously have seen the act. I think even Manny knows this. He's 38, can still hit, but who knows if he really will feel like playing, probably off the juice, 3 times on the DL this year. Very unreliable at this point. His days of putting up the numbers he put up when he jaked his way out of Boston to LA are ova. In fact, Thome's numbers are better this year IMO, and Ozzie already said the Sox couldn't win with Thome. Edited August 22, 2010 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipps Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 Bring the f***er in asap. This team is on a free fall right now. Yes, they are only a few games out but the confidence is lacking and they have needed the shot in the arm all year and Kenny has failed to give it. Get Manny and let this man catapult us to the motherf***ing playoffs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 Buster Olney Presumably, Manny Ramirez will hit the waiver wire sometime in the next 48-72 hours -- and presumably, he'll be with another team in 8 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 I'm sure it's been mentioned in this thread before, but I'm lazy. What is Manny's contract status after this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Aug 23, 2010 -> 09:45 AM) I'm sure it's been mentioned in this thread before, but I'm lazy. What is Manny's contract status after this year? He is a free agent with a large deferred salary, and I believe you're not able to offer him arbitration (as if you'd want to anyway). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 (edited) Available in 8 days... Would this even show up on the back of his baseball card? Edited August 23, 2010 by Swingandalongonetoleft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Aug 23, 2010 -> 10:20 AM) Available in 8 days... Would this even show up on the back of his baseball card? It would probably look like this LA Dodgers/ox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 Buster Olney Jayson Stark reports that Manny Ramirez is NOT on today's waiver wire -- the first chance the Dodgers have had to place him this month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Aug 23, 2010 -> 03:42 PM) Buster Olney Jayson Stark reports that Manny Ramirez is NOT on today's waiver wire -- the first chance the Dodgers have had to place him this month. Yeah, they're going to at least wait a few days so that he can have a couple games to hit and prove he can stay healthy for more than 1 game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 I'm predicting Manny will be on the White Sox for the "stretch!" run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted August 23, 2010 Share Posted August 23, 2010 QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Aug 23, 2010 -> 06:00 PM) I'm predicting Manny will be on the White Sox for the "stretch!" run. Geez, going out on a limb much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 I am predicting that maybe he will be with the Sox and maybe not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 I am predicting Manny Ramirez will play baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 I am predicting Manny will be Manny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 My prediction is that Manny will most likely be a Chicago White Sox or a Dodger or a member of another team sometime between now and the end of the season. I'll further my prediction by saying he will swing a bat and occasionally make contact with a baseball thrown by a pitcher towards his bat. He may even hit the ball. That being said, I wouldn't mind seeing him in a White Sox uniform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Wedmesday Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 Manny fits with the fading-star-slugger theme of the past few years. As such it would be a patented KDub move, allowing him to re-establish his authority over Ozzie after the Thome veto. If it would help us win some of the one run games that have kilt us this year, why not? Bonus: I very much doubt he's afraid of the Twinkies. At the very least, we'd get to watch Manny being Manny together with Ozzie being Ozzie. We may not win, but we'll certainly be entertained. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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