June 11, 201114 yr A rookie pitcher by the name of Gilbert Godfrey vs Javy 2.0. And even though Edwin is mediocre, that should be a win. Up 5-3 in the 9th with two outs and nobody on and Sergio morphs into Billy Koch. This type of loss distorts an entire season. And f*** damn will Ozzie f***ing bench Juan Pierre. What the f*** does he offer? I can't stand these two inept idiots. No reason at all to believe Viciedo can't duplicate what Mark Trumbo has done for the Angels. I hate this organization.
June 11, 201114 yr QUOTE (kapzk @ Jun 10, 2011 -> 08:28 PM) Just turn the page on this one and move on Agreed. Its an extremely s***ty loss, but let's just get em tomorrow.
June 11, 201114 yr QUOTE (kapzk @ Jun 10, 2011 -> 11:28 PM) Just turn the page on this one and move on The team definitely needs to do that.
June 11, 201114 yr Can't argue with Jordan tonight. Changes are way overdue. Bring up Viciedo now. Sergio's status as closer will be in jeopardy if he ever returns to the mound with that horrible stuff again. Problem is Sale and Thornton can't do it. Crain is not good enough. It's truly Sergio or nothing. We may have to rest him more or something, cause it's puzzling how he had nothing tonight. I wouldn't be so mad if we ever won games like teams do against us. If we're down 4 in the sixth, forget it. Two in the ninth? Ha. We're cooked.
June 11, 201114 yr It's just frustating that we had this one in the bag and let it loose.... we are quite fortunate that this is a s***ty division. I still see optimism surround the teams chances... Detroit now goes up vs Pineda/Hernandez and Clevelands got 3 more vs the Yankees. So we can trim this down to 2.5
June 11, 201114 yr . Crain is not good enough Well i sure dont think Santos is the answer and maybe not Crain but i would love to give him a CHANCE,i would rather give up 4 runs to the other team if they HIT the ball but come on 4 walks sorry this is the MAJOR LEAGUE and its not cause of today santos always had control problems,and yes JP has to go start Liilibrige in left!!!!!!!
June 11, 201114 yr That was the WORST loss in a long time for me. Once they were up 5-3 at NO POINT did I think they would lose. Won't make that mistake again.
June 11, 201114 yr I can't remember the last time we had so many "pitches" to win a game. This is one of the most shocking losses we've had under the Ozzie era.
June 11, 201114 yr QUOTE (kapzk @ Jun 10, 2011 -> 09:41 PM) It's just frustating that we had this one in the bag and let it loose.... We had them down to their final strike on 8 pitches.
June 11, 201114 yr Why even insult Edwin? He had nothing to do with this loss. Should have gotten the W. Maybe we are supposed to take the question "how did we lose this game?" literally? Because I don't think you know. Edited June 11, 201114 yr by MAX
June 11, 201114 yr QUOTE (MAX @ Jun 11, 2011 -> 12:08 AM) Why even insult Edwin? He had nothing to do with this loss. Should have gotten the W. Maybe we are supposed to take the question "how did we lose this game?" literally? Because I don't think you know. That's exactly what I was going to say. Jackson was winning when he left, hell Jackson was winning with 26 outs in the books, and 0 runners on base. Blame Santos, Blame Ozzie, Blame our offense who couldn't do jacks*** with RISP. Don't blame the guy who gave you 6 innings of 2 run ball.
June 11, 201114 yr QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jun 10, 2011 -> 11:34 PM) Blame our offense who couldn't do jacks*** with RISP. Don't blame the guy who gave you 6 innings of 2 run ball. How many runs do they have to score to compensate for a potential bullpen loss and JP's defense? I'm going to go with 8.
June 11, 201114 yr A loss is a loss, but these are like the worst kind... at least when you're losing by 16 runs in the 5th inning you can just kind of laugh at how comically bad it is and chalk it up as one game, but these feel like a punch in the stomach.
June 11, 201114 yr QUOTE (MAX @ Jun 11, 2011 -> 04:08 AM) Why even insult Edwin? He had nothing to do with this loss. Should have gotten the W. Maybe we are supposed to take the question "how did we lose this game?" literally? Because I don't think you know. This isn't a flame, but are you concerned he only had one strike out against the pathetic A's? What's up with that? I didn't see the game til right after he exited. Has he still got good stuff?
June 11, 201114 yr QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 11, 2011 -> 01:05 AM) This isn't a flame, but are you concerned he only had one strike out against the pathetic A's? What's up with that? I didn't see the game til right after he exited. Has he still got good stuff? I am concerned about edwin. Edwin has not looked very good in a while now. This was a better start for Edwin than the last. All I hope for is improvement. He didn't express concern, was my point, he called him javy v2, which doesn't seem appropriate on a night like this. Edwin at least has some heart. He fought for it, and ended up doing alright.
June 11, 201114 yr QUOTE (MAX @ Jun 11, 2011 -> 01:08 AM) I am concerned about edwin. Edwin has not looked very good in a while now. This was a better start for Edwin than the last. All I hope for is improvement. He didn't express concern, was my point, he called him javy v2, which doesn't seem appropriate on a night like this. Edwin at least has some heart. He fought for it, and ended up doing alright. He hasn't had a good slider recently, so he's basically had to rely on just his fastball, which doesn't move.
June 11, 201114 yr QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 11, 2011 -> 01:10 AM) He hasn't had a good slider recently, so he's basically had to rely on just his fastball, which doesn't move. That is reasonable. I hope his slider comes back. Unforuntately, I only get to listen to most of them games, and watch at most 3 or so a week. I just know that he has had control problems. Javy, on the other hand seems to have a reputation among sox fans as having problems between the ears. I don't think its fair to say that Edwin's problems are similar. I understand the frustration on the OP's part. It was a very frustrating game for us fans. I just don't like bearing witness to the extra negativity here.
June 11, 201114 yr QUOTE (MAX @ Jun 11, 2011 -> 12:21 AM) That is reasonable. I hope his slider comes back. Unforuntately, I only get to listen to most of them games, and watch at most 3 or so a week. I just know that he has had control problems. Javy, on the other hand seems to have a reputation among sox fans as having problems between the ears. I don't think its fair to say that Edwin's problems are similar. I understand the frustration on the OP's part. It was a very frustrating game for us fans. I just don't like bearing witness to the extra negativity here. Yeah, I agree. Edwin has his own set of problems, but these aren't his. He's battled through 3 starts now where he didn't have much other than his fastball, and in two of them, he's held the opponents to 2 runs. We could have won both of these games and definitely should have won this one.
June 11, 201114 yr Very, very tough loss. Especially since we could have been 4.5 games back, and also gained ground on the Tigers. But reality is these types of losses happen a couple times a season. We've been on the other end of it (comeback against KC that was very similar comes to mind), but not as much as I'd like.
June 11, 201114 yr Gordon had some big at bats tonight that surprised me, in a bad way. I hope he picks it up again too.
June 11, 201114 yr The difference between Edwin and Javy is that if you were to strike both of them in the groin area with a closed fist, I'm pretty sure only Edwin would be the one who immediately doubles over in pain.
June 11, 201114 yr QUOTE (MAX @ Jun 11, 2011 -> 12:46 AM) Gordon had some big at bats tonight that surprised me, in a bad way. I hope he picks it up again too. He has some seriously bad habits with his swing.
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