Puhlease. Jackson is mentioned in the article as possibly the best pitcher available. And quite possibly he is. That should be a bargaining chip. Jackson is not a bad pitcher at all. He is actually pretty good and has a lot of upside. Quentin is a player I would not trade at all unless overwhelmed with a great offer. Here is a guy just selected by his peers for the all-star team and some Sox fans on this site do nothing but bash the guy and/or call for him to be traded. You have me confused

 

Guy, I don't know what I can say to you. I just don't believe you are very logical and there's little reason to argue with you.

If they throw a way literally a once in a generation chance, they are completely f***ed with the fan base.

If their fanbase isn't completely f***ed already then one division title run isn't going to make the difference.

Nice, someone posted bleacher report opinion. I hate that site.

 

As for Rasmus... he'd fit right in with the other disappointments on our roster. Obviously I'd still love to get him in a deal for Jackson +, but we all know that's not happening, so it's a moot point.

Rasmus is hitting like Beckham and playing a little less than average defense. Its amazing Beckham is a bust but the Sox would have a hard time getting someone like Rasmus.

I don't know if Jackson is a headcase...I think his biggest problem is the lack of a third remotely effective pitch. He's all 2 pitches...fastball slider. If both of those pitches are on 100% of the time, then he's near unhittable. If either of those pitches isn't giving him control that day though, then he's rapidly a 1-pitch pitcher or worse. He can still win some of those games because 1 of those pitches is a 96 mph fastball, but he has to throw a lot of pitches to win a game like that if he doesn't have the slider.

 

Throw in one more pitch that comes in the low to mid 80's, even if it's not hugely effective every game, and suddenly even on days where he has no control over the slider, he can keep people off balance by changing velocity. Or, similarly, get him to do a better job of changing up the velocity on his fastball. Something. He just doesn't have the repertoire needed to be an everyday starter unless his 2 pitches are there all the time.

 

 

Sounds like a guy that rushed to the majors and mishandled.

 

 

If their fanbase isn't completely f***ed already then one division title run isn't going to make the difference.

 

Have you seen their crowds lately? They played to a sellout over the weekend.

Guy, I don't know what I can say to you. I just don't believe you are very logical and there's little reason to argue with you.

 

 

Plese don't respond to anymore of my posts. Thanks! I don't need your negativity or comments.

A few discussions of trading Quentin and that's all we do is bash him? My word, that's more than a bit excessive.

 

 

Point taken, but I think it is obvious that some don't particualrly have a good sense of the value of our own players. My goodness you woud think we were the cellar dwellers of the entire baseball world based on some of the ideas thrown around. I would guess maybe it's just that we are frustarted we aren't winning and I can understand that though

Rasmus is hitting like Beckham and playing a little less than average defense. Its amazing Beckham is a bust but the Sox would have a hard time getting someone like Rasmus.

Yeah, batting average wise but Rasmus is still sporting a .329 wOBA which is well above league average (.315) and was a 4 WAR player last season with a .366 wOBA. Beckham's wOBA is at .297 right now and .305 last season, not good. The thing to love about Rasmus is his 11% walk rate the past 2 seasons with his K rate going from 27% last season down to 20% this season meanwhile Gordon's BB rate is down in the 5's (something he said he wasn't going to worry about this season) and his K rate of 18.5% last season is up to 19.3% this season, right there with Rasmus. You can argue the defensive side of things with Rasmus putting up below average UZR numbers the past 2 seasons and Gordon kicking ass at 2B but their offensive production isn't exactly comparable right now. And yeah, Gordon's a bust because he hasn't produced at all with the bat after excelling as a rookie meanwhile Rasmus is still doing certain things well and struggling with others coming off a very good 2010 at the plate (the .351 BABIP was concerning).

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writ...ml?eref=writers

 

This was from yesterday but I didnt see it posted yet. Not surprising,but what does everyone want for him?

 

He has to be one of the better starting pitchers potentially available via trade over the next 3 weeks and being a free agent, and all the dead money (Rios, Peavy and Dunn) tied into a small number of players, Williams has to be able to find cheap talent and he may be able to acquire a younger piece or two. I'm doubtful that the Sox would be able to acquire an A level prospect, but maybe a B and C level talent for him. The wildcard in this is Jake Peavy though - I think Kenny Williams can take Jackson and claim he's actually strengthening the team by allowing it to return to a normal 5 man rotation after getting the starters rest for a good portion of the first half of the season; however, can he make this argument if Peavy continues to look burnt out, in effect, giving the Sox only 4 starters for the last 2 months? Obviously, this concern could be alleviated some if the White Sox acquired a starting pitcher (either as the key piece in the exchange or a stop-gap veteran who doesn't make much money and who is a free agent after the season). Talking a bit more about what the Sox should target in return, I'd say it's quite simple. Look at their board/rankings of minor league prospects around the league (I'm assuming that we're talking about a NL team since the Sox wouldn't want to strengthen a potential opposition team in the AL) and take, regardless of position, the offer for the best return of young players. Starting pitching is actuallly in pretty good shape for next season assuming Buehrle is resigned to so with Floyd, Danks, Peavy (assuming he's healthy) and potentially Chris Sale. I'm not suggesting to turn down more pitching - I wouldn't - but don't pass on good offensive talent if it's the better deal,.

They are shopping more than Edwin......

 

I assume you are referring to Carlos Quentin? It would be interesting to see if the White Sox were really willing to shake things up and move both Quentin/Jackson. The best part of moving Quentin is that you don't need a replacement with Viceido on the verge of breaking in. Between moving Jackson and Quentin, they could bring in 2 or 3 pieces for next season to help balance the payroll and who have good upside.

You could probably get Alonzo from the Reds for Edwin and flip him.

 

Sad thing is, I would LOVE to keep Alonzo as the sox don't have anyone remotely close to him as a 1B prospect or even a prospect in general, but we have that Konerko guy (barring rebuild) and can't even stick him at DH cause of Dunn. (Alonzo can play LF, but is much better defensively as a 1B)

Sad thing is, I would LOVE to keep Alonzo as the sox don't have anyone remotely close to him as a 1B prospect or even a prospect in general, but we have that Konerko guy (barring rebuild) and can't even stick him at DH cause of Dunn. (Alonzo can play LF, but is much better defensively as a 1B)

Well if you are concerned that Dunn can't handle the mental aspects of DHing, maybe moving Dunn to LF has some logic to it. If that's the case, Alonzo can slide into the DH spot next year. Having said that, I'm not buying that his struggles are relating to DHing though.

 

Regardless, if you move Quentin and Jackson, you take the best offers available and worry about fitting guys in later. Our system is seriously lacking in talent and we can always package some of the prospects/players in these deals to fill other needs.

Well if you are concerned that Dunn can't handle the mental aspects of DHing, maybe moving Dunn to LF has some logic to it. If that's the case, Alonzo can slide into the DH spot next year. Having said that, I'm not buying that his struggles are relating to DHing though.

 

Regardless, if you move Quentin and Jackson, you take the best offers available and worry about fitting guys in later. Our system is seriously lacking in talent and we can always package some of the prospects/players in these deals to fill other needs.

Even if we wanted to move Adam Dunn somewhere in the field...we legitimately have no where to put him. We're still searching for a leadoff replacement for Pierre who will have to be put somewhere, we've got Viciedo ready to break in, and Lillibridge has flat out earned more playing time than he's gotten.

Well if you are concerned that Dunn can't handle the mental aspects of DHing, maybe moving Dunn to LF has some logic to it. If that's the case, Alonzo can slide into the DH spot next year. Having said that, I'm not buying that his struggles are relating to DHing though.

 

I have absolutely no idea how you got that out of my post. I was more or less talking about his salary.

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Even if we wanted to move Adam Dunn somewhere in the field...we legitimately have no where to put him. We're still searching for a leadoff replacement for Pierre who will have to be put somewhere, we've got Viciedo ready to break in, and Lillibridge has flat out earned more playing time than he's gotten.

All I'm saying is if Dunn is struggling because he can't handle DHing, then you must start thinking outside the box. We can't have a $14 million/year DH that can't hit. If playing the field were to change that, then you have to consider moving him to LF. His defense would be awful, but you could conceivably get more value out of him if moving from DH allowed him to start hitting than what we are getting now.

 

Now, I don't think his problems are related to DHing specifically, but if he continues to struggle into next year, then that becomes a more realistic possibility. And if that there were to happen, he becomes valueless and unmoveable, so you'd have to try something drastic. Let's just hope he has a good second half and this will not be an issue again.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/h/hudsoda01.shtml

 

*sigh*

I assume you are referring to Carlos Quentin? It would be interesting to see if the White Sox were really willing to shake things up and move both Quentin/Jackson. The best part of moving Quentin is that you don't need a replacement with Viceido on the verge of breaking in. Between moving Jackson and Quentin, they could bring in 2 or 3 pieces for next season to help balance the payroll and who have good upside.

More than Quentin as well. I would say there are at least 5 players that are in discussion pitchers and position players.

More than Quentin as well. I would say there are at least 5 players that are in discussion pitchers and position players.

 

Hmm. I wonder what that list looks like.

 

Hmm. I wonder what that list looks like.

My question would be whether you hold onto guys who are expensive but who are here for a number of years. Konerko, Thornton in particular.

 

If you sell one, you try to sell everyone who won't be here at the end of 2012. You don't necessarily move them all if you don't get a good offer, but you at least listen.

Hmm. I wonder what that list looks like.

 

I would assume there are a lot of swears and red marker on that list. Maybe a meme or two

I would assume there are a lot of swears and red marker on that list. Maybe a meme or two

I would assume there are a lot of swears and red marker on that list. Maybe a meme or two

 

It is probably titled

 

"b****es"

 

My question would be whether you hold onto guys who are expensive but who are here for a number of years. Konerko, Thornton in particular.

 

If you sell one, you try to sell everyone who won't be here at the end of 2012. You don't necessarily move them all if you don't get a good offer, but you at least listen.

 

Konerko is an interesting one. With his contract and his age contrasted by having Dunn and Viciedo, plus what we could get for him, it would be worth listening to.

Hmm. I wonder what that list looks like.

If posting rumors on this site didnt end up in SI and MLBTR.com then it would be easier to discuss.

If posting rumors on this site didnt end up in SI and MLBTR.com then it would be easier to discuss.

 

PM me if you don't mind. I am curious.