Steve9347 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted July 27, 2011 Share Posted July 27, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 09:12 PM) You were inconsistent, annoying, and not particularly fun to watch. Peace. If he worked faster, I think he'd be a Cy Young Award candidate. He doesn't work fast, thus is maddening sometimes. I won't miss him, but I can't deny he had a lot of fine performances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxrwhite Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 A real nobody. Edwin who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 (edited) In his one year with the Sox, Jackson was 11-9 with a 3.66 ERA. Not bad. Gavin Floyd has never had a season with an ERA that low. John Danks did once. Jackson was a lot better with the Sox than most realize. Edited July 28, 2011 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 07:00 PM) In his one year with the Sox, Jackson was 11-9 with a 3.66 ERA. Not bad. Gavin Floyd has never had a season with an ERA that low. Neither has John Danks. Jackson was a lot better with the Sox than most realize. Yeah, he could be frustrating with high pitch counts/nibbling, but gave us a quality performance overall. I wish him well, and wouldn't mind seeing him back here again in the future. I believe that late in his career there's a chance he could evolve into a terrific closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 08:26 PM) Yeah, he could be frustrating with high pitch counts/nibbling, but gave us a quality performance overall. I wish him well, and wouldn't mind seeing him back here again in the future. I believe that late in his career there's a chance he could evolve into a terrific closer. I also think he may have a Jose Contreras 2005-6 run in him. When his career is over, he'll be one of those guys most will say could have and maybe should have been so much more, but the numbers will still show was a pretty good pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 08:00 PM) In his one year with the Sox, Jackson was 11-9 with a 3.66 ERA. Not bad. Gavin Floyd has never had a season with an ERA that low. John Danks did once. Jackson was a lot better with the Sox than most realize. And somehow strangely enough, he was a lot worse with the Sox than most realize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 08:00 PM) In his one year with the Sox, Jackson was 11-9 with a 3.66 ERA. Not bad. Gavin Floyd has never had a season with an ERA that low. John Danks did once. Jackson was a lot better with the Sox than most realize. He was brilliant after acquisition last year, but this year, not so much. Maddeningly inconsistent and undependable. Edited July 28, 2011 by Steve9347 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 07:40 PM) And somehow strangely enough, he was a lot worse with the Sox than most realize. You know who has been a better pitcher than Edwin Jackson since the trade? That cheaper, younger guy we gave up for him who is under Arizona's control for the forseeable future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 08:35 PM) I also think he may have a Jose Contreras 2005-6 run in him. When his career is over, he'll be one of those guys most will say could have and maybe should have been so much more, but the numbers will still show was a pretty good pitcher. Thats what six teams have been hoping for now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan101 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 08:32 PM) Thats what six teams have been hoping for now... Yeah. The Sox aren't the only team that has made a bad deal for Edwin, and I think St. Louis will be looked at as yet another in that group eventually. Edited July 28, 2011 by whitesoxfan101 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 27, 2011 -> 08:41 PM) He was brilliant after acquisition last year, but this year, not so much. Maddeningly inconsistent and undependable. Gavin Floyd is terrible half the time, John Danks has stretches where he's bad, Mark Buerhle goes on binges getting lit up at the end of the year, their numbers are usually around where they always are, and if they went 11-9 with a 3.66 ERA you would say they were pretty good. Edwin Jackson, as much as many hated the deal was pretty good with the White Sox. I think Daniel Hudson, had the deal not been made, would have had a tough time matching those numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 07:05 AM) Gavin Floyd is terrible half the time, John Danks has stretches where he's bad, Mark Buerhle goes on binges getting lit up at the end of the year, their numbers are usually around where they always are, and if they went 11-9 with a 3.66 ERA you would say they were pretty good. Edwin Jackson, as much as many hated the deal was pretty good with the White Sox. I think Daniel Hudson, had the deal not been made, would have had a tough time matching those numbers. You could be right. We'll never know. This is an organization that prides itself on giving perceived 'busts' second chances. Yet they gave up on Hudson after three starts. You don't sell out for Edwin Jackson. A guy that you knew had no future with the team after this year. It was blatantly shortsighted and a permanent black mark on Kenny's resume. And god help us if Holmberg turns out to be an effective starter at the major league level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 (edited) Cooper just said the Jackson/Hudson trade worked out for the Sox. He thinks their numbers are similar. Yeah, no they're not. And if you factor team control and a 20-year-old lefty named Holmberg also in the move, no, the trade did not work out for the Sox. Edited July 28, 2011 by flavum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 (edited) It all depends on what we get out of Stewart and Frasor (comp pick), etc. Six weeks ago, you never would have imagined that you 1) could get rid of Teahen for 2012, 2) get one of the top 5-10 RH set-up men in the game, and 3) get a top pitching prospect who has more than a good chance to have a better career than Holmberg, and possibly to be the equivalent of Hudson (unlikely, but definitely possible) One can't underestimate the dumping of Teahen from a financial standpoint without any future obligation. That alone basically wipes out a lot of the salary/payroll we spent on Jackson this past year, more or less. Edited July 28, 2011 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted July 28, 2011 Share Posted July 28, 2011 Thanx EJ! When he's on, he's downright nasty. Big supporter of Jax but I do admit we got hosed by Arizona and those posters saying Arizona won that trade were right all along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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