Friend of Nordhagen Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 09:46 PM) He's a dog at 3B, though. You'll never see the 2011 Ramirez over extend himself at 3B and risk injuring that shoulder on the heel of perhaps his final multi year contract. Frontrunning dog. He's great when he's surrounded by other good hitters -- a very dangerous performer, particularly in the clutch. But rely on him and watch him fade. And Flash Tizzle is right; he won't lay out for balls at 3rd because of his shoulder. Oh, and he's a loafer out of the batter's box and on the bases. So, yeah, I'm not on board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dick Allen Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 QUOTE (Real @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 09:57 PM) I'm not sold that winning the division means s***, they're not even .500 for starters, and im tired of the 2006 cards being brought up, ugh... Winning the division gives you a chance and with the Sox pitching anything can happen in the playoffs. If the offense suddenly starts making up for lost time, they would be a very scary team to have to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 Those of you who are pining for a firesale-for-prospects while 3 games out in late July have poor memories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 08:54 PM) 3 out 2 in the loss column after taking 4 of 5 from the teams in front of you is not the time to dismantle. As poorly as the Sox have played, it would be way worse than the White Flag Trade. Not. Even. Close. I think the Sox add a little something before the deadline. Its time to start winning. Well, all of this Quentin talk makes it seem like at least some form of "subtracting" is imminent. And so if that does happen, where does the "add" part of the equation come in, at least the part that assists us in the 2011 campaign. The names mentioned in each of the Quentin trade rumors seem to be earmarked as contributors to 2012 and beyond. A-Ram, for better or for worse, at least has been the only name really bandied about as a possible significant addition for this year's race (and even that, his name hasn't garnered any real speculation by the media). I wonder who the possible additions might or could be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 QUOTE (WCSox @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 10:06 PM) Those of you who are pining for a firesale-for-prospects while 3 games out in late July have poor memories. Like the last couple years when we were in the same position and collapsed in August/September? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 QUOTE (WCSox @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 10:06 PM) Those of you who are pining for a firesale-for-prospects while 3 games out in late July have poor memories. The team they were behind 14 years ago was a far better team than the teams they are behind now. Trading your best players now and loading up on Matt LaPorta's and Jeff Marquezes would be a disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 KW is flipping this roster trying to make it more flexible financially in the coming years. It's not hard to understand. If he trades anyone from our core roster, it will be at a position where we have a replacement (ie: Viciedo for Quentin, Ohman/Sale for Thornton). It's why you don't see him trying to trade AJP or Alexei right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 10:08 PM) Like the last couple years when we were in the same position and collapsed in August/September? So there will never be any reason to try to get better and actually win at the deadline because in 2009 and 2010 the Sox collapsed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 09:09 PM) KW is flipping this roster trying to make it more flexible financially in the coming years. It's not hard to understand. If he trades anyone from our core roster, it will be at a position where we have a replacement (ie: Viciedo for Quentin, Ohman/Sale for Thornton). It's why you don't see him trying to trade AJP or Alexei right now. Retooling on the fly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jul 29, 2011 -> 04:11 AM) Retooling on the fly! Yep, and there's no better time to do it than now. As we've been discussing, you couldn't ask for a better market that what currently exists for guys we could trade for value in return (Quentin/Thornton especially). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 BTW, don't think that the Phils getting dominated by the Giants pitching the last few days wasn't a huge boost for the Sox with regards to Quentin's value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 09:13 PM) Yep, and there's no better time to do it than now. As we've been discussing, you couldn't ask for a better market that what currently exists for guys we could trade for value in return (Quentin/Thornton especially). It appears so. Makes me think about the scenario from four years ago, back in '07, when KW was trying to build up a market for both Buehrle and Dye. For whatever reason, it just never manifested itself. That was back when Dye was still a upper echelon offensive force, and Mark was four years younger than he is today. But Kenny couldn't extract the kind of prospect package he was looking for, or anything remotely resembling the kinds we've been talking about here the past couple of days, so he withdrew from the marketplace. Luckily at the moment, things seem to be a little different. Let's hope we're able to capitalize! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCSox Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 08:08 PM) Like the last couple years when we were in the same position and collapsed in August/September? Was Kenny selling veteran starters for middle relievers and prospects back then? QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 08:09 PM) The team they were behind 14 years ago was a far better team than the teams they are behind now. Trading your best players now and loading up on Matt LaPorta's and Jeff Marquezes would be a disaster. This is true, although the '97 Indians weren't really all that great in the regular season either. Their rotation was bad (gave up 815 runs) and was anchored by injury-prone dinosaurs like Orel Herscheiser and Charlie Nagy. They caught lightning in a bottle with Jaret Wright and Chad Ogea in the playoffs and came within one inning of winning the WS. Just goes to show that you don't need a bulletproof team to win in the playoffs. Edited July 29, 2011 by WCSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metz Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 Rosenthal: Sources: #Phillies making progress on Pence. Talks coming to a head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 QUOTE (WCSox @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 09:19 PM) Was Kenny selling veteran starters for middle relievers and prospects back then? This is true, although the '97 Indians weren't really all that great in the regular season either. Their rotation was bad (gave up 815 runs) and was anchored by injury-prone dinosaurs like Orel Herscheiser and Charlie Nagy. They caught lightning in a bottle with Jaret Wright and Chad Ogea in the playoffs and came within one inning of winning the WS. Just goes to show that you don't need a bulletproof team to win in the playoffs. Manny and Thome were RBI machines. Alomar and Omar....Lofton....It was men against boys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 QUOTE (WCSox @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 09:19 PM) Was Kenny selling veteran starters for middle relievers and prospects back then? This is true, although the '97 Indians weren't really all that great in the regular season either. Their rotation was bad (gave up 815 runs) and was anchored by injury-prone dinosaurs like Orel Herscheiser and Charlie Nagy. They caught lightning in a bottle with Jaret Wright and Chad Ogea in the playoffs and came within one inning of winning the WS. Just goes to show that you don't need a bulletproof team to win in the playoffs. Manny and Thome were RBI machines. Alomar and Omar....Lofton....It was men against boys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 09:04 PM) That guy literally brings 0 new info to the table. What, Ozzie's opinion doesn't count? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 09:22 PM) The guy from CSN: Keep your eyes on KW; the payroll trim of E Jack City/Teahen deal means it's more likely #WhiteSox ADD payroll than cut in next deal Bulls***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 09:34 PM) Cowley's the only Chicago guy you can trust when it comes to the Sox. How hard is it to type with Oney's dick in your mouth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 09:44 PM) Ballantini brings up a valid point though. This is Trader Kenny we're talking about here. We're 3 games out of 1st place at the trade deadline. Think about it. Its all about payroll at this point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 10:09 PM) The team they were behind 14 years ago was a far better team than the teams they are behind now. Trading your best players now and loading up on Matt LaPorta's and Jeff Marquezes would be a disaster. They were also a far better team in 1997 than they have been this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 10:28 PM) How hard is it to type with Oney's dick in your mouth? I hope Joe has windshield wipers on his glasses to clear away Oney's goo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 QUOTE (WCSox @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 10:19 PM) Was Kenny selling veteran starters for middle relievers and prospects back then? If Kenny had 6 starters, 1 of which was walking at the end of the year, and the option to dump a bad contract and get a reliever to help this year and a former high round SP too I think he'd do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted July 29, 2011 Share Posted July 29, 2011 QUOTE (WCSox @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 10:19 PM) This is true, although the '97 Indians weren't really all that great in the regular season either. Their rotation was bad (gave up 815 runs) and was anchored by injury-prone dinosaurs like Orel Herscheiser and Charlie Nagy. They caught lightning in a bottle with Jaret Wright and Chad Ogea in the playoffs and came within one inning of winning the WS. Just goes to show that you don't need a bulletproof team to win in the playoffs. Wow, I didn't realize that. I just kept hearing about how good that team was, but they only won 86 games in the regular season. I guess they were just cocky from winning 99 & 100 the previous two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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