Kalapse,

 

Id guess a 3-4 year deal, not a 5.

 

Basically this year Danks gets a lot more than he would in arbitration, the next 3-4 years he gets slightly less than market value.

 

The only possible reason for this would be Danks talked with a guy like Mark who is telling him that money isnt everything and if your happy with the Sox $50mil is better than $70mil.

 

(To everyone else)

 

The Sox didnt offer Mark a contract out of respect to Mark. By not offering him a contract no Sox fan can turn on him because Mark never had the choice to stay in Chicago.

More like 4/54.

 

2012: 12

2013: 13

2014: 14

2015: 15

 

That's more White Soxie.

That would make more sense. I would never give any pitcher anything more than a 3 year deal but for a pitcher that has been with the Sox this long (ala MB) I could see 4 years.

Maybe the Yankees wouldn't give us what we want without a contract extension, so we are going to pull a sign-and-trade?

You don't do sign-and-trades with veteran players in baseball, they're not a part of the game at all. If Danks gets an extension it'll include some sort of no-trade protection for the first 2 years of the deal.

You don't do sign-and-trades with veteran players in baseball, they're not a part of the game at all. If Danks gets an extension it'll include some sort of no-trade protection for the first 2 years of the deal.

And again, I'll add...paying market value for Danks AND adding no-trade protection for the first part of it = completely nuts.

 

At least a 5 year deal wouldn't make him a 10/5 player.

You don't do sign-and-trades with veteran players in baseball, they're not a part of the game at all. If Danks gets an extension it'll include some sort of no-trade protection for the first 2 years of the deal.

 

After watching Santos get dealt two months after signing a long term deal, you know a no-trade is a must for a significant portion of the deal.

After watching Santos get dealt two months after signing a long term deal, you know a no-trade is a must for a significant portion of the deal.

Then the Sox ought to be getting one large discount.

The other possibility here is the Kenny intentionally leaked this info to try to get someone to panic buy high on Danks before he is off of the market.

The other possibility here is the Kenny intentionally leaked this info to try to get someone to panic buy high on Danks before he is off of the market.

In that case, I consider it my patriotic duty to continue posting in this thread to keep it running.

Let's wait and see if it's true, but I kind of like the idea.

Inning eating left handers don't grow in vineyards, they take their talents to south beach.

It does make some sense if Kenny exhausted his efforts to trade him, and then he went back to Danks' agent and told him what other teams think of him.

 

Maybe that's what made Danks want to get locked up now, instead of risking back-to-back bad years.

 

I'm happy. I hope they stick with Peavy, Danks, Floyd, Humber, and Sale and just hope for the best with the lineup.

I'm happy. I hope they stick with Peavy, Danks, Floyd, Humber, and Sale and just hope for the best with the lineup.

If that's the rotation, having a strong and deep bullpen should be mandatory. Thank Goodness we didn't trade away any relievers this offseason.

If that's the rotation, having a strong and deep bullpen should be mandatory. Thank Goodness we didn't trade away any relievers this offseason.

 

LOL is this supposed to be in green?

If that's the rotation, having a strong and deep bullpen should be mandatory. Thank Goodness we didn't trade away any relievers this offseason.

 

I can't promise this will work out, because I have no idea, but what if they felt getting a good starting pitcher in the system was more important than having Santos another year when they have a lot of confidence in Reed?

 

If they keep Thornton, Ohman, Frasor, Crain, and Reed along with some long relief, that should be enough...and Molina will be at AA and be ready to go in 2013 at the latest.

 

I just don't think Santos being traded is a deal breaker when it comes to the Sox competing in 2012.

I can't promise this will work out, because I have no idea, but what if they felt getting a good starting pitcher in the system was more important than having Santos another year when they have a lot of confidence in Reed?

 

If they keep Thornton, Ohman, Frasor, Crain, and Reed along with some long relief, that should be enough...and Molina will be at AA and be ready to go in 2013 at the latest.

 

I just don't think Santos being traded is a deal breaker when it comes to the Sox competing in 2012.

Read your bullpen again, that's a bullpen with a rookie closer, a Loogy, a guy who struggled badly with us last year, a guy who was genuinely good with us but has been inconsistent in his career, and then Matty. And it's only 5 deep, which means that spot 6 goes to rookie X.

 

Really, that bullpen setup is a mess.

I can't promise this will work out, because I have no idea, but what if they felt getting a good starting pitcher in the system was more important than having Santos another year when they have a lot of confidence in Reed?

 

If they keep Thornton, Ohman, Frasor, Crain, and Reed along with some long relief, that should be enough...and Molina will be at AA and be ready to go in 2013 at the latest.

 

I just don't think Santos being traded is a deal breaker when it comes to the Sox competing in 2012.

 

If the Sox planned on competing in 2012, they should have kept Santos unless they were offered a king's ransom. If they're rebuilding, you trade him for whatever he gets you. The problem is that I don't think even KW knows what he wants to do anymore.

It'll be interesting to see if this rumor is true. I'm not against signing Danks to an extension at all. However, it would be confusing and basically be saying that the Sox are NOT rebuilding.

I can't promise this will work out, because I have no idea, but what if they felt getting a good starting pitcher in the system was more important than having Santos another year when they have a lot of confidence in Reed?

 

If they keep Thornton, Ohman, Frasor, Crain, and Reed along with some long relief, that should be enough...and Molina will be at AA and be ready to go in 2013 at the latest.

I just don't think Santos being traded is a deal breaker when it comes to the Sox competing in 2012.

 

I dont think it is a dealbreaker, but lets be honest, our top two relievers are no longer in the bullpen with Santos traded and Sale moving to a starter. There is a lot of question marks in the bullpen after Crain/Thornton at the moment. Frasor and Ohman were spotty at best

Really?

 

I suppose if after this they trade Quentin, and they are willing to stick with this level of player payroll... this team doesn't look so terrible for 2012. Danks/Floyd/Peavy/Humber/Sale with Molina, Stewart and Axelrod in the wings looks reasonably good for SP. Santos is replaced by Reed in the pen, which I think is probably going to be an even deal. Players like Dunn, Beckham and Rios all coming off almost impossibly bad years for their talent level, and I'd bet serious money at least 1 and likely 2 of them bounce back. Viciedo, Morel and De Aza developing, Ramirez and Konerko consistent. That's really not an awful looking team to me.

 

But one random dude with the rumor, I'll believe it when I see it.

 

Read your bullpen again, that's a bullpen with a rookie closer, a Loogy, a guy who struggled badly with us last year, a guy who was genuinely good with us but has been inconsistent in his career, and then Matty. And it's only 5 deep, which means that spot 6 goes to rookie X.

 

Really, that bullpen setup is a mess.

I disagree on the bullpen, I think it looks at least league average as it stands right now. Reed, Crain, Frasor, Thornton*, Ohman, Stewart. But I actually believe Reed is going to be quite good, and Stewart can excel as a reliever. I could be very wrong.

Really?

 

I suppose if after this they trade Quentin, and they are willing to stick with this level of player payroll... this team doesn't look so terrible for 2012. Danks/Floyd/Peavy/Humber/Sale with Molina, Stewart and Axelrod in the wings looks reasonably good for SP. Santos is replaced by Reed in the pen, which I think is probably going to be an even deal. Players like Dunn, Beckham and Rios all coming off almost impossibly bad years for their talent level, and I'd bet serious money at least 1 and likely 2 of them bounce back. Viciedo, Morel and De Aza developing, Ramirez and Konerko consistent. That's really not an awful looking team to me.

 

But one random dude with the rumor, I'll believe it when I see it.

 

I can't stress how much this mindset angers me. I can't blame JR and KW for doing what they're doing, because it takes so little to draw fans back in. This team was f***ing terrible last year, and with almost no changes (and mostly for the worst), people are already willing to jump back on board. I don't mean this directly at you, NSS, as I've already spoken to a couple of friends today about this rumor and they're all already happy to go into next season as is.

 

If we won't demand better, we don't deserve better.

I dont think it is a dealbreaker, but lets be honest, our top two relievers are no longer in the bullpen with Santos traded and Sale moving to a starter. There is a lot of question marks in the bullpen after Crain/Thornton at the moment. Frasor and Ohman were spotty at best

 

Fair enough, but Frasor has a good track record. Ohman is just a guy that every team has... loogy, and long relief when the team is losing.

 

I like Axelrod as a long reliver/spot starter. Bullpens are so hard to predict. I don't think it's a given Santos is any good for the Jays either.

 

One thing I know...the Sox need starting pitching in their pipeline. Molina gives them one.

I can't stress how much this mindset angers me. I can't blame JR and KW for doing what they're doing, because it takes so little to draw fans back in. This team was f***ing terrible last year, and with almost no changes (and mostly for the worst), people are already willing to jump back on board. I don't mean this directly at you, NSS, as I've already spoken to a couple of friends today about this rumor and they're all already happy to go into next season as is.

 

If we won't demand better, we don't deserve better.

I hear ya. And you are right that the Sox brass understands that a full-on, multi-year rebuild isn't really possible for multiple reasons.

 

I'm not saying I'm all excited for 2012 or anything, I am just saying... if Danks is willing to sign a reasonable extension, that changes the landscape a bit, and I am less worried than I was about how this will play out. Still want to see what happens the next month or so. I'm not jumping off a bridge yet.

 

And as I've said, you have to realize that KW's version of a rebuild doesn't target 2015, it targets 2013 at the latest. In that view, this could be a good move, regardless of what happens in 2012.

 

Really?

 

I suppose if after this they trade Quentin, and they are willing to stick with this level of player payroll... this team doesn't look so terrible for 2012. Danks/Floyd/Peavy/Humber/Sale with Molina, Stewart and Axelrod in the wings looks reasonably good for SP. Santos is replaced by Reed in the pen, which I think is probably going to be an even deal. Players like Dunn, Beckham and Rios all coming off almost impossibly bad years for their talent level, and I'd bet serious money at least 1 and likely 2 of them bounce back. Viciedo, Morel and De Aza developing, Ramirez and Konerko consistent. That's really not an awful looking team to me.

 

But one random dude with the rumor, I'll believe it when I see it.

 

He isnt random. This guy has broke trades before.

If we won't demand better, we don't deserve better.

I could smooch you.