fathom Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ May 4, 2012 -> 10:11 PM) How do you know starting him in AAA last year wouldn't have produced the same result? Seems like quite the reach there. You don't know, but pitching him in relief did nothing to help prepare him for this year. Just cause it worked for someone like Buehrle, it seemed dubious that it would work for Sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 That's okay. He can be replaced by one of the plethora of young high upside arms the Sox have in the minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ May 4, 2012 -> 06:11 PM) How do you know starting him in AAA last year wouldn't have produced the same result? Seems like quite the reach there. I don't, but I do have one thing that backs me up...if you count Cape Cod league innings...he threw 150 innings 2 consecutive years before being drafted, and did not get hurt during that time. Yes, it's a lower level...but here's his innings total: 36 145 146 71 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 QUOTE (DirtySox @ May 4, 2012 -> 05:15 PM) That's okay. He can be replaced by one of the plethora of young high upside arms the Sox have in the minors. OK, Keith Law wannabe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 4, 2012 -> 05:02 PM) I'm pretty sure I can go back and find myself having some serious "I told you so"'s on this one and the decision to put Sale in the pen last year. He got hurt after 32 innings. There's a pretty good chance if he did what some wanted him to do last year, start at Charlotte, he would have had issues as well. The question was always how will he hold up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (DirtySox @ May 4, 2012 -> 10:15 PM) That's okay. He can be replaced by one of the plethora of young high upside arms the Sox have in the minors. Molina better make it as a starter. I wonder if this makes it more likely that the Sox try to extend Gavin? Edited May 4, 2012 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 (edited) Well, I guess Starlin Castro should be careful, as sports radio was sarcastically predicting that Sale and Castro would get hurt next after the Rose injury. Edited May 4, 2012 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxrd5 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 QUOTE (flavum @ May 4, 2012 -> 05:17 PM) OK, Keith Law wannabe. You must be on the White Sox payroll given the defensive nature of this reply. Sounds markedly similar to the way Kenny Williams reacts when he is asked questions about the empty cupboard that is the White Sox farm system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 I think it's beyond stupid to not shut him down for a while and then try him again at least one more time before making such a move. Unfortunately, it seems like the Sox think they have a better chance of winning this year with Sale as closer than with him missing serious time if kept a starter. I hope I'm wrong, because I find that logic completely idiotic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 4, 2012 -> 06:17 PM) He got hurt after 32 innings. There's a pretty good chance if he did what some wanted him to do last year, start at Charlotte, he would have had issues as well. The question was always how will he hold up. There's a big difference though between having your arm ready to throw 70 innings in a year and throwing those 70 innings in March and April. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 QUOTE (Chisoxrd5 @ May 4, 2012 -> 05:20 PM) You must be on the White Sox payroll given the defensive nature of this reply. Sounds markedly similar to the way Kenny Williams reacts when he is asked questions about the empty cupboard that is the White Sox farm system. No, I'm just not in the mood for minor league geek snark. And don't get me wrong, I'm a quasi-minor league geek too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 I said it last year and still believe it: if you're supposedly "All In", you don't leave your best bullpen arm in AAA. If it wasted a year of development fine, but if you go into the season expecting to compete then he is on the roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 4, 2012 -> 05:22 PM) There's a big difference though between having your arm ready to throw 70 innings in a year and throwing those 70 innings in March and April. He spent the winter getting himself prepared for the role. He is hurting already. If you really think the reason he is sore now is because he didn't pitch 150 innings last season in Charlotte and would have had no problems doing that and if he did, be well on his way to 175-200 IP this year, all I can say is WOW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 When I read the title of this thread I hoped it was a Tony La Russa decision. Anyway, Kenny's toast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ May 4, 2012 -> 05:24 PM) I said it last year and still believe it: if you're supposedly "All In", you don't leave your best bullpen arm in AAA. If it wasted a year of development fine, but if you go into the season expecting to compete then he is on the roster. I agree. The reason Sale was available when the Sox picked him was the worry that what went down today was going to happen and probably be even worse news. He has been an injury concern since day 1. Let him become a HOF closer. There's no shame in that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 4, 2012 -> 06:26 PM) He spent the winter getting himself prepared for the role. He is hurting already. If you really think the reason he is sore now is because he didn't pitch 150 innings last season in Charlotte and would have had no problems doing that and if he did, be well on his way to 175-200 IP this year, all I can say is WOW. That's pretty much the definition of the "Verducci effect". So say Wow all you want. You don't "Get yourself ready to throw as many innings in 2 months as you threw all of last year" by working out in the offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxrd5 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 4, 2012 -> 05:26 PM) He spent the winter getting himself prepared for the role. He is hurting already. If you really think the reason he is sore now is because he didn't pitch 150 innings last season in Charlotte and would have had no problems doing that and if he did, be well on his way to 175-200 IP this year, all I can say is WOW. What are the chances he is sore already from the lingering wear and tear of a full season coming out of the bullpen last year? Considering he was a starting pitcher in college, and the White Sox decided to bring him along as a reliever, who's to say this isn't the carryover effect of him warming up 100 times and pitching 70+ innings in relief? There isn't a large enough sample size to convincingly argue either position. Edited May 4, 2012 by Chisoxrd5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 4, 2012 -> 05:26 PM) ma He spent the winter getting himself prepared for the role. He is hurting already. If you really think the reason he is sore now is because he didn't pitch 150 innings last season in Charlotte and would have had no problems doing that and if he did, be well on his way to 175-200 IP this year, all I can say is WOW. Exactly. The Sox drafted a closer. The flip side of this argument is if Sale had started in the minors maybe he would have hurt his arm before he got to MLB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 4, 2012 -> 05:27 PM) When I read the title of this thread I hoped it was a Tony La Russa decision. Anyway, Kenny's toast. It may be hard to believe, I want KW gone as much as you do, but Chris Sale with a tender elbow being made a closer is going to get him fired about as much as the churro stand selling stale churros would get him fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxrd5 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 4, 2012 -> 05:31 PM) Exactly. The Sox drafted a closer. The flip side of this argument is if Sale had started in the minors maybe he would have hurt his arm before he got to MLB. So we drafted two closers in 3 rounds in 2010? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 4, 2012 -> 05:29 PM) That's pretty much the definition of the "Verducci effect". So say Wow all you want. You don't "Get yourself ready to throw as many innings in 2 months as you threw all of last year" by working out in the offseason. The Verducci effect is laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 There is more to this than being reported. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ May 4, 2012 -> 05:31 PM) Exactly. The Sox drafted a closer. The flip side of this argument is if Sale had started in the minors maybe he would have hurt his arm before he got to MLB. I think that's the most likely scenerio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 4, 2012 -> 10:29 PM) I agree. The reason Sale was available when the Sox picked him was the worry that what went down today was going to happen and probably be even worse news. He has been an injury concern since day 1. Let him become a HOF closer. There's no shame in that. I do agree with you here, but now it's Kenny's turn to find another starting pitcher for the next few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 QUOTE (Chisoxrd5 @ May 4, 2012 -> 05:32 PM) So we drafted two closers in 3 rounds in 2010? Don't forget Poreda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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