Chicago White Sox Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 QUOTE (Paint it Black @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 12:00 PM) This. I have an insider account and I don't really mind ripping their content (although I don't post it here). I have been a BP subscriber for 5 years now and it rules. It's only like $40 a month. The writing it top notch and if you like the prospect stuff it's the best coverage out there. I hope the bolded part is a typo, because nothing seems cheap about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paint it Black Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 12:25 PM) I hope the bolded part is a typo, because nothing seems cheap about that. oops. fixed. Yeah $40/ month is expensive haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 QUOTE (Paint it Black @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 12:29 PM) oops. fixed. Yeah $40/ month is expensive haha. Alright, now that makes much more sense. Might need to look into getting a subscription. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted November 15, 2013 Author Share Posted November 15, 2013 So FanGraphs and BP lists are out. Â BA is Jan 6th, FutureSox will be in January as well. We may also do a comparison article looking at the lists together. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 09:33 AM) The Top Ten RHP Erik Johnson SS Tim Anderson RF Courtney Hawkins RHP Chris Beck RHP Tyler Danish SS Marcus Semien 2B Carlos Sanchez 2B Micah Johnson CF Trayce Thompson RHP Francellis Montas  Are BP the same publication that surprised everyone by including Myles Jaye last year? Because if so, they appear to have done it again with Montas.  Montas is supposed to be a raw, big arm, correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted November 15, 2013 Author Share Posted November 15, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 01:07 PM) Montas is supposed to be a raw, big arm, correct? Yeah, Jason Parks (BP) referred to his fastball as a "mother****er" pitch. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 01:22 PM) Yeah, Jason Parks (BP) referred to his fastball as a "mother****er" pitch.  Strengths: Near elite arm strength; during instructs, worked 93-98 with fastball; has touched triple-digits in the past; explosive offering; slider has improved; shows more depth without losing velocity; future plus pitch; despite loose stuff, can find the strike zone; athletic body with remaining projection. Weaknesses: Delivery can get out of whack; more of thrower than a pitcher (at present); tendency to work up with fastball and lose movement; can run into hard contact; slider is inconsistent; changeup is underdeveloped; likely bullpen profile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 System got some new respect. BP really likes Danish and Anderson ('13 draft was praised). I know Parks likes Leury quite a bit as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boopa1219 Posted November 15, 2013 Share Posted November 15, 2013 QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 03:40 PM) System got some new respect. BP really likes Danish and Anderson ('13 draft was praised). I know Parks likes Leury quite a bit as well. Â Really outside of a few picks I hated that draft class, I thought 2012 was a way better class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 02:07 PM) Montas is supposed to be a raw, big arm, correct? Part of the Peavy trade. Pitched better at Kanny than with the BoSox A team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 I'm much more partial to BA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 11:33 AM) The Top Ten RHP Erik Johnson SS Tim Anderson RF Courtney Hawkins RHP Chris Beck RHP Tyler Danish SS Marcus Semien 2B Carlos Sanchez 2B Micah Johnson CF Trayce Thompson RHP Francellis Montas  Are BP the same publication that surprised everyone by including Myles Jaye last year? Because if so, they appear to have done it again with Montas.  Yeah, but if they were high on Myles Jaye BEFORE last year, why are they not high on him this year?  Also, surprised they have Semien so low. I figured him to be in everyone's top 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Nov 15, 2013 -> 09:03 PM) Yeah, but if they were high on Myles Jaye BEFORE last year, why are they not high on him this year? Â Also, surprised they have Semien so low. I figured him to be in everyone's top 3. Â Kevin Goldstein was high on Myles Jaye. He now works for the Astros. This is a Jason Parks list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted November 16, 2013 Share Posted November 16, 2013 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Nov 16, 2013 -> 10:49 AM) Kevin Goldstein was high on Myles Jaye. He now works for the Astros. This is a Jason Parks list. Â Oh, ok. So the fact that BP's list last year was high on Jaye and they were right probably has no bearing on Montas sneaking in to the top 10 on this year's list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 There's that, but the Sox minor league system also improve a ton over the past season too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 18, 2013 -> 01:59 PM) There's that, but the Sox minor league system also improve a ton over the past season too. Â The last couple of years have been cosmic steps forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 6, 2014 Author Share Posted January 6, 2014 BA Top 10 and top tools are out. I won't paste in the subscriber content, but the list and best tools are free, so here they are...  1. Jose Abreu, 1b 2. Erik Johnson, rhp 3. Tim Anderson, ss 4. Matt Davidson, 3b 5. Marcus Semien, 2b/3b 6. Micah Johnson, 2b 7. Courtney Hawkins, of 8. Trayce Thompson, of 9. Chris Beck, rhp 10. Jacob May, of  Best Hitter for Average Micah Johnson Best Power Hitter Jose Abreu Best Strike-Zone Discipline Marcus Semien Fastest Baserunner Micah Johnson Best Athlete Trayce Thompson Best Fastball Daniel Webb Best Curveball Scott Snodgress Best Slider Erik Johnson Best Changeup Chris Beck Best Control Erik Johnson Best Defensive Catcher Miguel Gonzalez Best Defensive Infielder Cleuluis Rondon Best Infield Arm Cleuluis Rondon Best Defensive Outfielder Trayce Thompson Best Outfield Arm Keenyn Walker  The article was written by John Manuel, so at least we don't have to deal with Phil Rogers' bizarro rankings anymore.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Who is Cleuluis Rondon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 6, 2014 -> 12:56 PM) Who is Cleuluis Rondon? Â One of the extra guys we got in the Peavy deal from Boston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted January 6, 2014 Author Share Posted January 6, 2014 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 6, 2014 -> 12:56 PM) Who is Cleuluis Rondon? An SS/2B who has had some of the most absurd praise of his defense heaped on him that I have ever heard. Heard multiple scouts, a manager, a coach and others talk about his defense like the term plus-plus isn't good enough. I watched him play one game, only had one significantly difficult play to handle, and... he did it like he was sleep-walking. Like it was nothing. Â Bat is highly questionable. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balfanman Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 6, 2014 -> 01:10 PM) An SS/2B who has had some of the most absurd praise of his defense heaped on him that I have ever heard. Heard multiple scouts, a manager, a coach and others talk about his defense like the term plus-plus isn't good enough. I watched him play one game, only had one significantly difficult play to handle, and... he did it like he was sleep-walking. Like it was nothing. Bat is highly questionable.  What can be done for a prospect like this? He obviously has some good quickness and hand eye coordination if he is that good on defense. Is it a matter of finding the "right" hitting coach? Refining his technique , meaning making him more of a singles, walk, type of approach?  Not that I have any faith in the White Sox Hitting instructors, but it seems a waste of talent. If he could even hit .250 with a .320 OBP he would be very valuable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 QUOTE (balfanman @ Jan 6, 2014 -> 02:40 PM) What can be done for a prospect like this? He obviously has some good quickness and hand eye coordination if he is that good on defense. Is it a matter of finding the "right" hitting coach? Refining his technique , meaning making him more of a singles, walk, type of approach? Â Not that I have any faith in the White Sox Hitting instructors, but it seems a waste of talent. If he could even hit .250 with a .320 OBP he would be very valuable. There is now a legend of Omar Vizquel talking to Jose Iglesias last year during the offseason and saying "don't practice fielding the entire time, pick up a heavy bat and swing it a thousand times per day". Iglesias then hit .303 on the season (with a .356 BABIP helping him). Â Sometimes it's not just the coaching, it's the physical abilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 https://twitter.com/danish_Tyler7/status/420262165652963328 Â Another reason I don't like prospect lists. Â Go to A ball> Perform. Â Go to High A> Perform. Â Go to AA> Perform. Â Go to AAA> Perform. Â Go to MLB> Perform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince34 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) I was able to get to the Chat with John Manuel did on the White Sox for Baseball America the last 20 minutes. I wish I was there from the start because he answered a bunch of my questions on players we don't hear too much about. Tried to get more info on Jason Coats, Sammy Ayala, Cody Winiarski, Euclides Leyer, and Kyle Hansen but cut the chat short. Check out the chat on Baseball America some good info on some of our prospects. Edited January 6, 2014 by PolishPrince34 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) QUOTE (flavum @ Jan 6, 2014 -> 02:24 PM) https://twitter.com/danish_Tyler7/status/420262165652963328Â Another reason I don't like prospect lists. Â Go to A ball> Perform. Â Go to High A> Perform. Â Go to AA> Perform. Â Go to AAA> Perform. Â Go to MLB> Perform. Â BA, and others, completely missing boat on the Dane. Buncha foo's. Â Likely have him pegged as a reliever due to funky motion. He WILL prove them wrong. Edited January 6, 2014 by Stan Bahnsen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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