QuickJones81 Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 If you were Rick Hahn, and you had two options for a catcher in front of you, which would you take and why: Option A: Jarrod Saltalamacchia at a cost of 4 yrs / $36M Option B: Matt Wieters at a cost of Erik Johnson, Tyler Flowers, and Carlos Sanchez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Is there a neither option? But if I had to pick 1 I guess I'd go with Salty. It wouldn't be a good contract, but it wouldn't be bad enough to handcuff the organization or anything either. Johnson has a chance to be a legit #3, if not #2 starter. I'm not trading him + a guy who has a shot to be a starting 2B in the near future for Weiters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 QUOTE (QuickJones81 @ Nov 27, 2013 -> 07:40 PM) If you were Rick Hahn, and you had two options for a catcher in front of you, which would you take and why: Option A: Jarrod Saltalamacchia at a cost of 4 yrs / $36M Option B: Matt Wieters at a cost of Erik Johnson, Tyler Flowers, and Carlos Sanchez At those prices, Saltalamacchia 14 times out of 10. I'm not giving up more than Snodgress for Wieters. He's been a mediocre offensive player, he's 2 years from free agency, and his agent is Boras. I don't mind the idea of acquiring Wieters dependent upon the cost, but I don't see him resigning easily either. Frankly, I'm expecting stopgaps at catcher for the next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 QUOTE (QuickJones81 @ Nov 27, 2013 -> 05:40 PM) If you were Rick Hahn, and you had two options for a catcher in front of you, which would you take and why: Option A: Jarrod Saltalamacchia at a cost of 4 yrs / $36M Option B: Matt Wieters at a cost of Erik Johnson, Tyler Flowers, and Carlos Sanchez Something about Salty crushing mammoth HR's against all the RH pitching in our division appeals to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuickJones81 Posted November 28, 2013 Author Share Posted November 28, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 27, 2013 -> 07:49 PM) At those prices, Saltalamacchia 14 times out of 10. I'm not giving up more than Snodgress for Wieters. He's been a mediocre offensive player, he's 2 years from free agency, and his agent is Boras. I don't mind the idea of acquiring Wieters dependent upon the cost, but I don't see him resigning easily either. Frankly, I'm expecting stopgaps at catcher for the next year. What kind of realistic deal would it take for you to choose Wieters over Saltalamacchia, or is there no fit in your mind that both teams would buy into? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Salty Wieters, hehehe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEdWalsh Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 27, 2013 -> 07:30 PM) Salty Wieters, hehehe. I'd take Wieters over Salty any day, simply because I think he's way better defensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 QUOTE (QuickJones81 @ Nov 27, 2013 -> 08:02 PM) What kind of realistic deal would it take for you to choose Wieters over Saltalamacchia, or is there no fit in your mind that both teams would buy into? A C+ prospect for him. If you said Snodgress, I wouldn't bat an eye - you trade for Wieters. Hell, I'd probably give up Sanchez for him. He has a boatload of talent and was actually very good offensively in the minors. But consider this from Baltimore's perspective: they need to cut costs, they've been generally unhappy with Wieters' development as a hitter, and he's about to get expensive. They don't have a ton of leverage in negotiations. If they can potentially get a piece to play and start in 2015, they have to consider it if they're truly looking to cut costs and are shopping Wieters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 (edited) I would love to have Wieters, but only if the price is right, which I would fear we'd vastly overpay for him. I just think Wieters has too much talent not to figure it out in some way. He's not going to be the "Joe Mauer with power" sort of guy I remember one article saying, but eventually I think he'll come around. Right now in his career I'd put him with Alex Gordon. The Royals were hoping for the next George Brett which hasn't happened, but he has improved over the course of his career. There were numerous people in this site hoping Kenny Williams would try to trade for him when the Royals were sending him back to the minors, me being one as well. Since then over the past 3 seasons on average he's batted .287, 19 HR's, 41 2B's, 80 RBI's, 13 SB's, along with 3 Gold Gloves and WAR average of 6 in those 3 years. Still wish the Sox could've gotten him somehow! Not saying Wieters can turn it around to even the extent of Gordon, but wouldn't mind giving him a chance. Edited November 28, 2013 by WilliamTell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 I'd take Wieters over Salty, but at those prices you described, I'd take Salty. But there is almost no way that Salty would take a deal like that after what McCann got. He's got to be getting at least $10-13M a year from someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Someone on the interwebs described a trade of Santiago + Beckham for Wieters, and I actually thought that was a pretty fair deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 (edited) QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Nov 27, 2013 -> 10:55 PM) Someone on the interwebs described a trade of Santiago + Beckham for Wieters, and I actually thought that was a pretty fair deal. I think that's good if we can resign him otherwise I think that's too much for a couple of years of Wieters. Edited November 28, 2013 by pettie4sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 27, 2013 -> 07:58 PM) A C+ prospect for him. If you said Snodgress, I wouldn't bat an eye - you trade for Wieters. Hell, I'd probably give up Sanchez for him. He has a boatload of talent and was actually very good offensively in the minors. But consider this from Baltimore's perspective: they need to cut costs, they've been generally unhappy with Wieters' development as a hitter, and he's about to get expensive. They don't have a ton of leverage in negotiations. If they can potentially get a piece to play and start in 2015, they have to consider it if they're truly looking to cut costs and are shopping Wieters. Which means you really don't want him . There might be 25 teams willing to offer more and certainly more at the trading deadlines for the next 2 years among those in contention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Marry: Wieters Boff: Salty oh wait, we aren't playing that game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 The prices would probably be higher, but Wieters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 QUOTE (QuickJones81 @ Nov 27, 2013 -> 05:40 PM) If you were Rick Hahn, and you had two options for a catcher in front of you, which would you take and why: Option A: Jarrod Saltalamacchia at a cost of 4 yrs / $36M Option B: Matt Wieters at a cost of Erik Johnson, Tyler Flowers, and Carlos Sanchez I think it would cost more for Wieters then you are proposing but at that price, I'll go with Wieters. Superior defensively and we seem to be able to find pitching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Nov 28, 2013 -> 12:33 PM) Which means you really don't want him . There might be 25 teams willing to offer more and certainly more at the trading deadlines for the next 2 years among those in contention. Really, I don't. I don't think they'd be able to resign him if he busted out and I don't think they'd want to if he doesn't. Salty is a nice piece but I don't think the Sox are going to be interested. Go into next year with Perez from the Rule 5 and Flowers and Phegley and I'm a happy camper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 If I'm picking one, I'm going Salty in this scenario. I'm happier to potentially be wasting money on Salty than to spend precious talent on Wieters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeynach Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 (edited) Ugh the thought of signing Salty sickens me, there is a reason the Red Sox are fine with letting him walk. To me he is the definition of a serviceable catcher, but he is an awful fit for this team. We have enough low BA, low OBP players on this roster already. Salty had a good year this past season, his FA year go figure, but his previous seasons with the Red Sox your looking at a .220 hitter with a sub .300 OBP. He had a negative Offensive WAR every season with Boston except for his walk year, again go figure. He can slug a bit so that's good, but I really don't see him being a player that Rick Hahn has said they are looking for, in Salty's 7 seasons hes only posted an OBP above .300 twice. We already have two catchers who can post .220 BA's with .280 OBP's, why do we need a new one for 4/36? Edited November 29, 2013 by joeynach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 QUOTE (QuickJones81 @ Nov 27, 2013 -> 07:40 PM) If you were Rick Hahn, and you had two options for a catcher in front of you, which would you take and why: Option A: Jarrod Saltalamacchia at a cost of 4 yrs / $36M Option B: Matt Wieters at a cost of Erik Johnson, Tyler Flowers, and Carlos Sanchez Salty by a mile We can't trade our top pitching prospects at this point. That's the stuff that gets us into these messes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 29, 2013 -> 08:47 PM) Salty by a mile We can't trade our top pitching prospects at this point. That's the stuff that gets us into these messes. This post right here says it all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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