April 25, 201411 yr Chicago White Sox @whitesox 44s #WhiteSox have claimed #RHP Hector Noesi off waivers from the #Rangers: http://atmlb.com/1mLXTNr There's your Sunday starter.
April 25, 201411 yr Used to LOVE this guy. Thought he was way under the radar with the Yankees. Has been extra bad though. Hopefully he's a Coop candidate.
April 25, 201411 yr QUOTE (raBBit @ Apr 25, 2014 -> 07:07 PM) Who is the poster that loved him? Ultimate Champion
April 25, 201411 yr QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Apr 25, 2014 -> 01:09 PM) Did everyone in charge somehow miss him pitch vs us? What's to say they didn't see a fixable glitch or a tipping of pitches? The assumption doesn't have to be that the organization is stupid.
April 25, 201411 yr He's trash, but so are Francisco, Guerra, Boggs, Hanson. Maybe they will get lucky but it is obvious they are desperate for someone. Anyone.
April 25, 201411 yr How many pitchers has Cooper actually "fixed"?? Like... 2? The rest were guys who were already pretty good. I remember when the Sox traded for Edwin Jackson, the Sox were saying Cooper could tell he was tipping his pitches and knew how to fix him. He was good for a half season and went back to total suck. I hope Noesi can be at least decent. But the odds of that are nearly zero.
April 25, 201411 yr Love this particular type of move for this particular type of team (i.e., a team with budget issues who happen to have a unified franchise pitching philosophy with a good track record of success). Any time you can bring in a big arm (a 93-95 mph type) with decent control -- Noesi qualifies both ways -- bring him in and see if your in-house expertise can teach him a cutter and/or change, or possibly refine his mechanics. Sometimes the differences between two good arms is little more than minor differences in repertoire, repeatability of mechanics/pitches, and, of course, the confidence that comes with having success. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" I have no problem with the White Sox being the Statue of Liberty for wayward pitchers. Bring 'em all in. Give us first shot at 'em. Sure, 75%+ won't amount to much, but if you can recycle junk into value once a year, you've just bought yourself a lot of extra spending money for use in other ways. P.S. Obviously I'm being somewhat hyperbolic. Don't bring 'em ALL in. But absolutely bring many in. It's not as if our system is so deep with homegrown talent that we're eliminating opportunity for our own.
April 25, 201411 yr QUOTE (Charlie Haeger's Knuckles @ Apr 25, 2014 -> 01:26 PM) How many pitchers has Cooper actually "fixed"?? Like... 2? The rest were guys who were already pretty good. I remember when the Sox traded for Edwin Jackson, the Sox were saying Cooper could tell he was tipping his pitches and knew how to fix him. He was good for a half season and went back to total suck. I hope Noesi can be at least decent. But the odds of that are nearly zero. Jackson's best year of his career was the time he spent with the White Sox.
April 25, 201411 yr QUOTE (Charlie Haeger's Knuckles @ Apr 25, 2014 -> 07:26 PM) How many pitchers has Cooper actually "fixed"?? Like... 2? The rest were guys who were already pretty good. I remember when the Sox traded for Edwin Jackson, the Sox were saying Cooper could tell he was tipping his pitches and knew how to fix him. He was good for a half season and went back to total suck. I hope Noesi can be at least decent. But the odds of that are nearly zero. Jackson was alright with us. Do you mean Liriano? but to answer your question, Matt Thorton, Gavin Floyd, Estefan Loaiza, and Jose Contreras come to mind. I'm sure there's more.
April 25, 201411 yr QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Apr 25, 2014 -> 01:33 PM) Jackson was alright with us. Do you mean Liriano? but to answer your question, Matt Thorton, Gavin Floyd, Estefan Loaiza, and Jose Contreras come to mind. I'm sure there's more. It is also missing on guys that came through the system and succeeded.
April 25, 201411 yr QUOTE (Charlie Haeger's Knuckles @ Apr 25, 2014 -> 01:26 PM) How many pitchers has Cooper actually "fixed"?? Like... 2? The rest were guys who were already pretty good. I remember when the Sox traded for Edwin Jackson, the Sox were saying Cooper could tell he was tipping his pitches and knew how to fix him. He was good for a half season and went back to total suck. I hope Noesi can be at least decent. But the odds of that are nearly zero. Edwin Jackson with the White Sox - 30 GS, 196.2 IP, 3.66 ERA, 1.34 WHIP, 8 K/9, 2.6 BB/9 He was really good with the Sox.
April 25, 201411 yr I remember his name being tossed around in a potential trade a few years ago with the Yanks. Sounded like the Sox really liked him then as a guy that could be a high leverage reliever. I think he is a similar situation to Cleto, good arm, but just needs to figure out how to use it.
April 25, 201411 yr QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 25, 2014 -> 01:35 PM) Edwin Jackson with the White Sox - 30 GS, 196.2 IP, 3.66 ERA, 1.34 WHIP, 8 K/9, 2.6 BB/9 He was really good with the Sox. He also was good with the Tigers, but he was a lot better with the Sox than most realize.
April 25, 201411 yr QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Apr 25, 2014 -> 01:38 PM) I remember his name being tossed around in a potential trade a few years ago with the Yanks. Sounded like the Sox really liked him then as a guy that could be a high leverage reliever. I think he is a similar situation to Cleto, good arm, but just needs to figure out how to use it. Noesi was starting at the time. I wanted him as part of the package in the rumors for John Danks at the time.
April 25, 201411 yr QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 25, 2014 -> 01:38 PM) He also was good with the Tigers, but he was a lot better with the Sox than most realize. I think most people watch Edwin Jackson pitch and, just by looking at his stuff, wonder why he isn't a top of the rotation starter, and then they see a pitcher who doesn't have great command of his stuff, which is inherently frustrating as a fan. The numbers obviously do not lie, but I recall watching Edwin Jackson and thinking he walked a hell of a lot more batters than he actually did. I've said it before, but he's a guy I wouldn't mind the Sox getting from the Cubs if they ate about 1/3 to 1/2 of his remaining deal. His stuff has deteriorated just a small amount, so the results could certainly still be there. He's due $22 in '15 and '16, and so if the Cubs ate $8-10 million of that deal, he could be a really nice buy low target for the Sox. Not advocating it per se, but I wouldn't be upset if they did make a move like that.
April 25, 201411 yr Danks pre-injury, especially 2008-2010 Thornton Edwin Jackson Humber for one unexpectedly good season before regression all the magical reliever seasons in 2005 (Hermanson, Cotts, Politte) Gavin Floyd Loiaza Jose Contreras Jon Garland became a much better pitcher from the time he was a 20 year old rookie JJ Putz had a great bounceback season his one year here Mark Buehrle Jose Quintana Bobby Jenks Sergio Santos Keith Foulke Edited April 25, 201411 yr by caulfield12
April 25, 201411 yr Some or most of those are very good, but Cooper was Keith Foulke's pitching coach for 3 months. Given, he was the minor league pitching coordinator from 1993 through 2002, but that's Nardi Contreras if it's anyone.
April 25, 201411 yr QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 25, 2014 -> 08:17 PM) Danks pre-injury, especially 2008-2010 Thornton Edwin Jackson Humber for one unexpectedly good season before regression all the magical reliever seasons in 2005 (Hermanson, Cotts, Politte) Gavin Floyd Loiaza Jose Contreras Jon Garland became a much better pitcher from the time he was a 20 year old rookie JJ Putz had a great bounceback season his one year here Mark Buehrle Jose Quintana Bobby Jenks Sergio Santos Keith Foulke Right there shows a big problem right now...no names from the past two years.
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