Yeah, which means the Sox would likely agree to a well below slot deal with a player before the draft. It would potentially make for an incredibly interesting draft next year if they cut a deal way below slot like the Astros did with Correa a few years ago. I'd much rather just have Rodon though.

 

Agreed

First of all, I doubt the difference is $250-500K. I'm guessing the difference at this point is closer to $1-2 mill. If it were as small as the original numbers, they'd take a few hours and iron out their differences.

 

Also, if I were Rick Hahn, I'd counter with "You are getting $6 milllion. If you think he's going to get significantly more than that next year, you're crazy."

 

 

There is no way that they are $1-$2 million off. the slot amount is $5.7 million. The Sox literally only have like $6.5 million left. It's not old system. There just isn't any magic money that can be spent. I bet they are quibbling over the difference between the remaining Sox slot money, something just over $6 million and the overage without incurring the draft pick loss which would be over $6.5 million. He will sign. He won't get $6 million next year.

Rodon is an idiot if he won't sign for $6 million. First of all, there is a huge risk that he doesn't get that much next year. Secondly, he puts off arbitration and free agency by a year, and that easily eats up the $250K or whatever he's quibbling over now. Boras is trying to bluff the Sox into raising their offer, but there is no good reason for the Sox not to call their bluff.

 

If Rodon is the kind of guy who will walk away from $6M, then he is not the kind of guy I want on my team.

Seriously guys, no one should be surprised at this pushing towards the deadline. No one.

Rodon is an idiot if he won't sign for $6 million. First of all, there is a huge risk that he doesn't get that much next year. Secondly, he puts off arbitration and free agency by a year, and that easily eats up the $250K or whatever he's quibbling over now. Boras is trying to bluff the Sox into raising their offer, but there is no good reason for the Sox not to call their bluff.

 

If Rodon is the kind of guy who will walk away from $6M, then he is not the kind of guy I want on my team.

 

In Boras's defense, if Rodon isn't intrigued by starting in MLB this year, there is no reason not to bluff. They have time to sign, they can continue along not signing this offer and see if Sox go overslot.

In Boras's defense, if Rodon isn't intrigued by starting in MLB this year, there is no reason not to bluff. They have time to sign, they can continue along not signing this offer and see if Sox go overslot.

 

That's fine, they can bluff all they want up until the deadline, but the Sox should not budge and at that point Rodon is an idiot if he refuses to sign. There is no reason the Sox should increase their offer as the deadline approaches.

Seriously guys, no one should be surprised at this pushing towards the deadline. No one.

I think the Sox were hoping for a quicker turnaround at least from the initial info I got. But it looks like a who will blink first contest. All signs point to something getting done.

I think the Sox were hoping for a quicker turnaround at least from the initial info I got. But it looks like a who will blink first contest. All signs point to something getting done.

That's fine, they thought that the "pitch in the pen this year" might work, I get that, but once that passed (and with people already worrying about Rodon's innings in college that should have been iffy anyway), the end result would be him signing sometime while I'm moving at the end of July.

That's fine, they can bluff all they want up until the deadline, but the Sox should not budge and at that point Rodon is an idiot if he refuses to sign. There is no reason the Sox should increase their offer as the deadline approaches.

 

 

i don't necessarily agree. We don't know what the Sox offer is. If it's the slot amount of $5.7, then yes they absolutely should budge. But we have no idea.

Rodon is an idiot if he won't sign for $6 million. First of all, there is a huge risk that he doesn't get that much next year. Secondly, he puts off arbitration and free agency by a year, and that easily eats up the $250K or whatever he's quibbling over now. Boras is trying to bluff the Sox into raising their offer, but there is no good reason for the Sox not to call their bluff.

 

If Rodon is the kind of guy who will walk away from $6M, then he is not the kind of guy I want on my team.

This right here sums it up.

Boras is going to be burned by a team soon and i hope its the white sox. I understand its his job to get the most money possible for his players but the price he is asking is ridiculous. I would love the white sox to put their offer public and force boras to make a decision, Over slightly above slot and dont budge from there. There is no reason at all we should go way over slot and lose a draft pick because of it. With us able to get compensation if he chooses to go back to school its not like we are losing out, and there will be more pitchers available next draft. I get the feeling boras is telling rodon he will get paid a lot of money over slot and the white sox will cave. I wonder what rodon will do if we say this is our offer take it or go back to school. Will he really be willing to risk an injury to try to make more money next draft when in all honesty there really isnt more money to be made.

 

I also wouldnt be suprised if this is the last boras client we work with either way the situation works out.

As Mr. Kruger from Seinfeld says...I'm not too worried about it.

There is no way that they are $1-$2 million off. the slot amount is $5.7 million. The Sox literally only have like $6.5 million left. It's not old system. There just isn't any magic money that can be spent. I bet they are quibbling over the difference between the remaining Sox slot money, something just over $6 million and the overage without incurring the draft pick loss which would be over $6.5 million. He will sign. He won't get $6 million next year.

Who knows? Boras could be demanding that the Sox pay the tax (or, conceivably, worse). The Sox could be obstinate about staying right on slot. It should get settled for around 6.

And if it doesn't at least the compensation for not signing is very fair.

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 26h

No. 1 pick brady aiken is said to have an elbow ligament issue. astros look to discount deal. story coming on @CBSSports

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 26h

No. 1 pick brady aiken is said to have an elbow ligament issue. astros look to discount deal. story coming on @CBSSports

 

Hawk has a point about something.

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 11m

 

heres story on ligament issue thats delayed aiken deal. astros said to seek $1.5M discount to $5M. http://cbsprt.co/1mBvHx7

Google the Bryant and Cubs stories last year. Reports were he wasn't going to sign. He signed a couple of days before the deadline for slightly more than slot. Rodon will sign. It's all part of the Boras game. Besides, if Boras has spoken to the White Sox on Rodon's behalf, going back to college is no longer an option.

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If I was Boras, I would just say two words.

 

 

"Manny Ramirez (Scott Downs/Jeff Keppinger/Felipe Paulino). You're going to quibble over $250-500,000 over your future frontline starter, c'mon Rick Hahn. You went to Kellogg School and Harvard Law. You're not dumb. The White Sox need Carlos Rodon as much as he needs them. Besides, nobody's coming to games as it is, and you already have two of the top ten players in baseball. Plus, I know you're not going to spend $100+ million in free agency, Carlos is your best chance to have a winner again on the SouthSide."

 

I would remind Scott that he has even less leverage than I do. I'd have him ask his client if he liked how his stock slipped from last year to this, and ask him if he feels good about going back to school and trying to get drafted again for the sake of quibbling over that same $250-500k. I'd ask him to remember that while that money isn't a bunch to our owners, it happens to be strictly limited in terms of draft spending, and that a true franchise player would want it distributed in such a way that maximizes his team's chances to win.

Google the Bryant and Cubs stories last year. Reports were he wasn't going to sign. He signed a couple of days before the deadline for slightly more than slot. Rodon will sign. It's all part of the Boras game. Besides, if Boras has spoken to the White Sox on Rodon's behalf, going back to college is no longer an option.

Excellent point. It's not like they arent communicating either.

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeymanCBS 11m

 

heres story on ligament issue thats delayed aiken deal. astros said to seek $1.5M discount to $5M. http://cbsprt.co/1mBvHx7

 

Man this is brutal. I feel bad for all parties involved.

Boras is going to be burned by a team soon and i hope its the white sox. I understand its his job to get the most money possible for his players but the price he is asking is ridiculous. I would love the white sox to put their offer public and force boras to make a decision, Over slightly above slot and dont budge from there. There is no reason at all we should go way over slot and lose a draft pick because of it. With us able to get compensation if he chooses to go back to school its not like we are losing out, and there will be more pitchers available next draft. I get the feeling boras is telling rodon he will get paid a lot of money over slot and the white sox will cave. I wonder what rodon will do if we say this is our offer take it or go back to school. Will he really be willing to risk an injury to try to make more money next draft when in all honesty there really isnt more money to be made.

 

I also wouldnt be suprised if this is the last boras client we work with either way the situation works out.

 

 

1. it will be not advisable to exactly say what the number are. other teams, players and agents will prob think

it bad. 2. the sox, if talking to Borass, should not spill the beans no matter how tempting it might be. look at

the flak det got for doing it.

 

now I may be flamed for calling Rodon agent that and so what. other poster said worst and it is not a 10 yr

thing to say.....

 

ok.... so much for my little flame....

 

I blame the sox .... how many time are the sox going to play with Scott B, and get burned. the slot money is one

thing, going over slot is another. Rodon camp have said they wanted more than the slot. second leading to this

show - down, BorAss have said that he thought the slot was unfair and if I remember correctly he was to test the rules,

or something to that effect.

 

ok, the sox will pick a comp pick at #4 (1 pick later than before). then they have the other pick, assuming how the

season is going may be top 15.

 

Questions. with the #4 pick it has to be sign and delivered. does the second top 15 pick, need to be used as well

what happen if that player doesn't sign.

 

next question, what will happen to Rodon if he goes independent, will he be a free agent or does he go back to the draft?

Man this is brutal. I feel bad for all parties involved.

 

man, here was the player I thought the sox will end up with.

Just remember that Carlos is following the advice given to him. I doubt he's a prick, he's just someone who knows much less about this process than his agent.

I think a lot of agents are going to be wary of dealing with the Astros...this seems to fit with how they go about doing business.

 

In the long run, they might win with this tactic on the financial side, but it tends to leave a bad taste.

 

Whether it's this situation, the release of the proprietary database trade information, Bud Norris' comments, lots of former and current players (anonymously), the low-balling contract strategy with Springer/Singleton/Dominguez/Grossman being offered long-term extensions before they've even played at the major league level...let's just say their path and the Cubs' will always be intriguing ones to follow, that's for sure.

 

If they succeed, they'll change baseball even more to the quant/SABR side. If not, another setback or black eye.

I think a lot of agents are going to be wary of dealing with the Astros...this seems to fit with how they go about doing business.

 

In the long run, they might win with this tactic on the financial side, but it tends to leave a bad taste.

 

Whether it's this situation, the release of the proprietary database trade information, Bud Norris' comments, lots of former and current players (anonymously), the low-balling contract strategy with Springer/Singleton/Dominguez/Grossman being offered long-term extensions before they've even played at the major league level...let's just say their path and the Cubs' will always be intriguing ones to follow, that's for sure.

 

If they succeed, they'll change baseball even more to the quant/SABR side. If not, another setback or black eye.

 

The Astros took a guy that many felt was the best arm with the highest ceiling in the draft, found out that he may have some injury concerns after initially agreeing to a $6.5 million deal, and are still saying to him "look, we're still willing to give you $5 mill, which we believe is more than fair."

 

I don't see anything questionable with what the Astros have done.