Eminor3rd Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jul 29, 2014 -> 12:46 PM) Beckham has more value than Dunn by quite a bit. Why? What value does Gordon Beckham have to anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted July 29, 2014 Author Share Posted July 29, 2014 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 29, 2014 -> 01:48 PM) Why? What value does Gordon Beckham have to anyone? Contract Also I know there are errors in this I diont care to fix them TYVM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jul 29, 2014 -> 01:50 PM) Contract Also I know there are errors in this I diont care to fix them TYVM The Dodgers just signed Darwin Barney after he was DFA'd and released by the Cubs. At this point in time, Beckham and Barney are essentially interchangeable parts. Hell, you can go acquire Willie Bloomquist to be your everyday 2B and there's virtually no difference. Beckham is just a guy right now. Now, try and go sign a left handed bat that puts up a .243/.378/.461/.839 against RHP. You can't do it. Dunn > Beckham. There's not a shred of doubt in my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 29, 2014 -> 01:48 PM) Why? What value does Gordon Beckham have to anyone? Dunn is a over-paid but productive DH, Beckham is just a bad 2B. Take away money and Dunn is the more valuable player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donny Lucy's Avocado Farm Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 "Gordon Beckham is the missing piece to our championship team" - said no MLB GM, ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Jayson stark rumblings and grumblings from espn • More scouting sightings: As the White Sox listen to offers on John Danks, they've been eyeballing the farm systems of the Yankees, Blue Jays and Red Sox. http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/page/traded...nder-jon-lester Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 I hope they prove me wrong and at least pick up a serviceable upper minors C for Danks. Doesn't have to have much ceiling, but I don't want to pay Tyler Flowers anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 29, 2014 -> 01:59 PM) I hope they prove me wrong and at least pick up a serviceable upper minors C for Danks. Doesn't have to have much ceiling, but I don't want to pay Tyler Flowers anymore. Silly, you aren't paying Tyler Flowers anything! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 29, 2014 -> 01:59 PM) I hope they prove me wrong and at least pick up a serviceable upper minors C for Danks. Doesn't have to have much ceiling, but I don't want to pay Tyler Flowers anymore. You pay Tyler Flowers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jul 29, 2014 -> 11:57 AM) Jayson stark rumblings and grumblings from espn • More scouting sightings: As the White Sox listen to offers on John Danks, they've been eyeballing the farm systems of the Yankees, Blue Jays and Red Sox. http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/page/traded...nder-jon-lester Interesting comment about the Red Sox... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Silly, you aren't paying Tyler Flowers anything! I bought a $60 ticket, so I paid Tyler Flowers about 10 cents or whatever his share of that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorkChopExpress Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 29, 2014 -> 02:03 PM) Interesting comment about the Red Sox... Maybe considering them as part of a three-way deal involving Lester/Lackey and Alexei/Dunn/other hot garbage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 QUOTE (PorkChopExpress @ Jul 29, 2014 -> 02:07 PM) Maybe considering them as part of a three-way deal involving Lester/Lackey and Alexei/Dunn/other hot garbage. Yeah, I can't see the Red Sox being interested in Danks. At the very least, not now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 29, 2014 -> 01:59 PM) I hope they prove me wrong and at least pick up a serviceable upper minors C for Danks. Doesn't have to have much ceiling, but I don't want to pay Tyler Flowers anymore. Flowers is serviceable; we can rent a serviceable vet. We have serviceable prospects with Nieto and Smith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 29, 2014 -> 02:02 PM) You pay Tyler Flowers? It's a major drain on my finances Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 QUOTE (Charlie Haeger's Knuckles @ Jul 29, 2014 -> 11:42 AM) Is it just me or has this been the most boring lead-up to a deadline, like... omg... EVA! Seriously though, there has been so little legitimate info, league-wide, not just the Sox. The only stories are seemingly what writers can piece together based on deductive reasoning. Yeah, it's been crazy quiet, but maybe that's a good thing. We'll see. I hope the next CBA they push it back to mid-August, and make that the only trade deadline. With about 40 games left, teams should be stuck with what they have in their organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 29, 2014 -> 11:48 AM) Why? What value does Gordon Beckham have to anyone? I don't even like Dunn but that is complete nonsense. To go as far as saying at the same pay, Beckham is more valuable is completely laughable. Below average defensively and offensively. Dunn isn't going to get us a great chip but he's worth more then Beckham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 29, 2014 -> 02:38 PM) I don't even like Dunn but that is complete nonsense. To go as far as saying at the same pay, Beckham is more valuable is completely laughable. Below average defensively and offensively. Dunn isn't going to get us a great chip but he's worth more then Beckham. Pay is a factor though. Beckham is at the peak of his value. There isn't any surplus there. There might even be some deficit there. For Dunn, he is paid WAY over his value. That's why he is still here. Even then, his skill set has gone by the wayside in the game today. Teams aren't paying for just DH's to hit homers, walk, and strike out. Mark Reynolds couldn't even get a major league contract this spring. He had to take a minor league deal with the promise of a couple of million dollars if he made the 25 man roster. I think for Dunn his contract value is somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of what he is making now. Unless the Sox pick up a large chunk of his dollars, he won't move. Beckham could still move without any dollars picking up, at the expense of the return for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 29, 2014 -> 02:42 PM) Pay is a factor though. Beckham is at the peak of his value. There isn't any surplus there. There might even be some deficit there. For Dunn, he is paid WAY over his value. That's why he is still here. Even then, his skill set has gone by the wayside in the game today. Teams aren't paying for just DH's to hit homers, walk, and strike out. Mark Reynolds couldn't even get a major league contract this spring. He had to take a minor league deal with the promise of a couple of million dollars if he made the 25 man roster. I think for Dunn his contract value is somewhere between 1/3 and 1/2 of what he is making now. Unless the Sox pick up a large chunk of his dollars, he won't move. Beckham could still move without any dollars picking up, at the expense of the return for him. Why does anyone think the Sox won't pick up a large chunk of his salary? Because his salary is high, he will make it through waivers without being claimed after the deadline. There isn't the same urgency for him to be moved in the next 2 days. Waiting into August allows for 1) the Sox to prove they really aren't in contention 2) a 1B/DH on another team to get injured Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerksticks Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 TUC what about the Sox being buyers at the deadline (please simpletons, refuse the temptation to point out our record and the amount of teams in front of us)? What about a package of hot Wilkins & Co for a stud RH pitcher? 2015 is almost here and we desperately need a RH badass. A RHBA makes us a championship contender instantly, well almost. I still think we are really close to being really good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 QUOTE (Vance Law @ Jul 29, 2014 -> 02:50 PM) Why does anyone think the Sox won't pick up a large chunk of his salary? Because his salary is high, he will make it through waivers without being claimed after the deadline. There isn't the same urgency for him to be moved in the next 2 days. Waiting into August allows for 1) the Sox to prove they really aren't in contention 2) a 1B/DH on another team to get injured The Sox have a much longer history of dumping salary for lesser returns than they two of picking up salary for larger returns. Could it be different? Sure. Odds are not very good though, so I am going with the side of history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 29, 2014 -> 02:35 PM) The Sox have a much longer history of dumping salary for lesser returns than they two of picking up salary for larger returns. Could it be different? Sure. Odds are not very good though, so I am going with the side of history. Gotta hope the Cannibalization of Kepp signals a change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Dan Hayes @DanHayesCSN 5m Hasn't been much chatter about #WhiteSox leading up to deadline. Not many scouts here. One said: "It feels like I'm the only one here." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 With a few days left, nothing to panic about. Deals can have a way of coming together quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 (edited) Reds are fading, already committed big coin to Bailey, put Cueto on the block, could happen. Would love to buy out his option with a big extension on a prearranged deal. Don't know if what we've got would be of any interest. Yeah, no way. Edited July 29, 2014 by Stan Bahnsen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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