Matt Swartz's highly celebrated arbitration projector was released on MLBTR: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/11/proj...s-for-2015.html

 

Here's the Sox section:

 

White Sox (service time)

 

Ronald Belisario (4.151) – $3.9MM

Tyler Flowers (3.148) – $2.1MM

Dayan Viciedo (3.123) – $4.4MM

Hector Noesi (3.006) – $1.9MM

Nate Jones (3.000) – $600K

Javy Guerra (2.133) – $1.3MM

 

This should be a pretty reliable frame of reference for discussion until the actual figures come in.

Edited November 4, 201411 yr by Eminor3rd

Matt Swartz's highly celebrated arbitration projector was released on MLBTR: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/11/proj...s-for-2015.html

 

Here's the Sox section:

 

White Sox (6)

 

Ronald Belisario (4.151) – $3.9MM

Tyler Flowers (3.148) – $2.1MM

Dayan Viciedo (3.123) – $4.4MM

Hector Noesi (3.006) – $1.9MM

Nate Jones (3.000) – $600K

Javy Guerra (2.133) – $1.3MM

 

This should be a pretty reliable frame of reference for discussion until the actual figures come in.

 

I think they will be freeing up $8.3 mill of that. And, at the very least, it will be $3.9 mill.

Matt Swartz's highly celebrated arbitration projector was released on MLBTR: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/11/proj...s-for-2015.html

 

Here's the Sox section:

 

White Sox (6)

 

Ronald Belisario (4.151) – $3.9MM

Tyler Flowers (3.148) – $2.1MM

Dayan Viciedo (3.123) – $4.4MM

Hector Noesi (3.006) – $1.9MM

Nate Jones (3.000) – $600K

Javy Guerra (2.133) – $1.3MM

 

This should be a pretty reliable frame of reference for discussion until the actual figures come in.

 

That comes pretty close to my guestimates for the Sox.

Flowers, Noesi, Jones are obvious tenders. Guerra, slightly below that. Viciedo and Belisario, GTFO.

I think they will be freeing up $8.3 mill of that. And, at the very least, it will be $3.9 mill.

 

Agreed, so couple that with the 45.9 already signed up and we're looking at 51.8 in commitments.

That comes pretty close to my guestimates for the Sox.

 

Nice work

Trade Tank for the best young reliever you can get and laugh at Belesario and $3.9M as he packs his bags.

Matt Swartz's highly celebrated arbitration projector was released on MLBTR: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/11/proj...s-for-2015.html

 

Here's the Sox section:

 

White Sox (6)

 

Ronald Belisario (4.151) – $3.9MM

Tyler Flowers (3.148) – $2.1MM

Dayan Viciedo (3.123) – $4.4MM

Hector Noesi (3.006) – $1.9MM

Nate Jones (3.000) – $600K

Javy Guerra (2.133) – $1.3MM

 

This should be a pretty reliable frame of reference for discussion until the actual figures come in.

 

Definitely would keep Flowers, Noesi, Jones and Guerra for those prices.

 

Viciedo is a toss up. Hope you can trade him, but possibly keep him

 

Belisario is done.

Agreed, so couple that with the 45.9 already signed up and we're looking at 51.8 in commitments.

 

If these numbers hold true with the arbitration players guestimates. 51.8 million in commitments has a lot of room to spend this off season and next. I can't wait until Danks contract comes off the books now.

Good grief. If Noesi continues doing what he's doing or continues to improve, what a bargain!

 

I'd wave goodbye to Belly and get whatever I can from Tank and move on.

 

Lots of payroll flexibility, wow!

Lose the Belly. keep everyone else.

As anti-Viciedo as I am, I'd tender him a contract. You try to trade him, but if that fails, you find him a platoon partner. If that fails, you give him another year or replace him and eat the $4m.

 

This is a season where we can afford to carry that $4m in dead weight in the worst case scenario.

As anti-Viciedo as I am, I'd tender him a contract. You try to trade him, but if that fails, you find him a platoon partner. If that fails, you give him another year or replace him and eat the $4m.

 

This is a season where we can afford to carry that $4m in dead weight in the worst case scenario.

I wouldn't. I'm done with him, and I'm convinced that he'll be the starting LF if he's tendered a contract because that means no one wanted him before that deadline. He's not going to have higher value in January than now, he's a terrible, terrible, terrible option as a backup OF because of defense and baserunning, and we've already seen Rick get stuck with guys people talked about him trying to trade because he offered them arbitration and no one wanted them until the end of the year.

I wouldn't. I'm done with him, and I'm convinced that he'll be the starting LF if he's tendered a contract because that means no one wanted him before that deadline. He's not going to have higher value in January than now, he's a terrible, terrible, terrible option as a backup OF because of defense and baserunning, and we've already seen Rick get stuck with guys people talked about him trying to trade because he offered them arbitration and no one wanted them until the end of the year.

This.

Belly is obviously gone. Flowers, Guerra, Noesi and Jones obviously stay. Not sure about Tank.

I wouldn't. I'm done with him, and I'm convinced that he'll be the starting LF if he's tendered a contract because that means no one wanted him before that deadline. He's not going to have higher value in January than now, he's a terrible, terrible, terrible option as a backup OF because of defense and baserunning, and we've already seen Rick get stuck with guys people talked about him trying to trade because he offered them arbitration and no one wanted them until the end of the year.

 

The bolded is a great point.

 

Still, $4m isn't much for an insurance policy. Because if he couldn't find anyone better over the offseason, we might as well give him another shot in the dark until someone else emerges. However, I'm saying that assuming that I'd be totally comfortable DFA'ing him at any time and eating that money. If his contract guarantees his roster spot, then I'd dump him for sure.

The bolded is a great point.

 

Still, $4m isn't much for an insurance policy. Because if he couldn't find anyone better over the offseason, we might as well give him another shot in the dark until someone else emerges. However, I'm saying that assuming that I'd be totally comfortable DFA'ing him at any time and eating that money. If his contract guarantees his roster spot, then I'd dump him for sure.

I can't think of him as an insurance policy because I can't think of him being useful in a backup role. An insurance policy is what you use when something goes wrong, so what do we do if things go right and we find a better starting OF somewhere? Like I said we can't keep him on the bench because he's such a poor fit for that role, he's shown no success with the bat to justify thinking of him as a DH option, basically he's an insurance policy against us failing to find a replacement for him. But Hell, play that guy we just picked up on the waiver wire, he literally cannot be worse.

I can't think of him as an insurance policy because I can't think of him being useful in a backup role. An insurance policy is what you use when something goes wrong, so what do we do if things go right and we find a better starting OF somewhere? Like I said we can't keep him on the bench because he's such a poor fit for that role, he's shown no success with the bat to justify thinking of him as a DH option, basically he's an insurance policy against us failing to find a replacement for him. But Hell, play that guy we just picked up on the waiver wire, he literally cannot be worse.

 

Yeah, he's a bad reserve. If you find a better OF, you DFA him. The bolded is exactly what I mean by "insurance policy."

Yeah, he's a bad reserve. If you find a better OF, you DFA him. The bolded is exactly what I mean by "insurance policy."

But $4.5 million goes a decent part of the way towards finding a better OF. That's a lot of money to waste on an insurance policy against coming up empty in the free agent market when $4.5 million extra to spend is insurance against coming up empty anyway!

But $4.5 million goes a decent part of the way towards finding a better OF. That's a lot of money to waste on an insurance policy against coming up empty in the free agent market when $4.5 million extra to spend is insurance against coming up empty anyway!

 

I just think we can stomach it for this year while the payroll is really low. In years where we're maxing it out, I don't think you'd even consider it.

I can't think of him as an insurance policy because I can't think of him being useful in a backup role. An insurance policy is what you use when something goes wrong, so what do we do if things go right and we find a better starting OF somewhere? Like I said we can't keep him on the bench because he's such a poor fit for that role, he's shown no success with the bat to justify thinking of him as a DH option, basically he's an insurance policy against us failing to find a replacement for him. But Hell, play that guy we just picked up on the waiver wire, he literally cannot be worse.

 

You'd rather have JB Shuck as a DH option than Viciedo?

 

Unless we fill BOTH LF and DH this offseason, Dayan's likely to be given one more year...let's call it the "DeAza/Beckham Effect."

 

In Dick Allen's scenario where we're spending $40-50 million this offseason on FA's, I'd agree that he should be jettisoned. It's just that very few see that (amount of spending) coming, realistically.

Edited November 4, 201411 yr by caulfield12

Not that he necessarily needs seasoning in the minors, but Viciedo may have an option left. It's always hard to tell, but even if he didn't, they could attempt to assign him to the minors. If he passes through, then great; if not, the Sox get exactly what they wanted anyways.

 

That would be far, far less than ideal but it's an option.

Belisario is worth nowhere near $4 mill.

Guerra is definitely a keeper.

I assume Lindstrom has been let go. He's been bad in Chicago.

Non tendering Viciedo is crazy talk, not going to happen. Why? He's 25 years old right now and has hit 20+ HR's in 3 straight seasons. Now I'm not saying he should be given another year for us, but I refuse to believe that there isn't a team that would be willing to trade for him. I'm not even saying for a lot, but a young arm for the bullpen shouldn't be that hard to obtain in my opinion.

 

Non tendering Viciedo is crazy talk, not going to happen. Why? He's 25 years old right now and has hit 20+ HR's in 3 straight seasons. Now I'm not saying he should be given another year for us, but I refuse to believe that there isn't a team that would be willing to trade for him. I'm not even saying for a lot, but a young arm for the bullpen shouldn't be that hard to obtain in my opinion.

 

I am not a fan of DV nor have I since the his first yr.

 

but non tendering him would be a waste. he is still valuable and b/c of

you reasons.

Viciedo will be traded before the Winter Meetings, and maybe before December 2. I find it very unlikely he's with the Sox next year.

Edited November 4, 201411 yr by flavum