December 17, 201411 yr QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Dec 16, 2014 -> 10:14 PM) Definitely. I like a lot of the voices there, but it's way too cliquish/groupthinkey. Yep. It's why I changed back over to Soxtalk last year as my primary Sox related hangout.
December 17, 201411 yr QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Dec 17, 2014 -> 07:55 AM) Looks like this mysterious hitter could be Ian Desmond The Mariners were linked to him and Jordan Zimmerman but Desmond has 1 yr left at 11 million. Mariners were balking at the price to acquire them
December 17, 201411 yr No tank to SEA @jonmorosi: UPDATE: Justin Ruggiano has been traded from #Cubs to #Mariners, sources say.
December 17, 201411 yr I joked about Viciedo going to the Nippon Ham Fighters, but it might not be a bad move for him.
December 17, 201411 yr The M's must not really want Viciedo. They have been rumored to Liking him for how long now?...and never pulled the trigger. Either the Sox are asking for a way too much in return and wont budge or they just don't like him as much as the rumor mill has indicated and don't even want him. He isn't going to the Mariners. It would have been done by now if he was.
December 17, 201411 yr Now that the Mariners are out for Viciedo. I think Houston makes the most sense for him. His defense wouldn't show as much with that short porch in LF, and his power would look pretty good there. I think a Viciedo, Nieto, Beck deal would net Castro. Thoughts?
December 17, 201411 yr QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 17, 2014 -> 12:37 PM) Now that the Mariners are out for Viciedo. I think Houston makes the most sense for him. His defense wouldn't show as much with that short porch in LF, and his power would look pretty good there. I think a Viciedo, Nieto, Beck deal would net Castro. Thoughts? I really dont know If that would be enough. Edited December 17, 201411 yr by peavy44
December 17, 201411 yr QUOTE (peavy44 @ Dec 17, 2014 -> 01:13 PM) I really dont know If that would be enough. I agree. But I think something around Viciedo and Nieto could get them talking.
December 17, 201411 yr Seattle was lukewarm on Viciedo before Ruggiano, expected DFA. But Hahn was confident situation will be resolved. Guess: other teams on DV. https://twitter.com/CSNHayes/status/545300251700379648
December 17, 201411 yr QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 17, 2014 -> 01:16 PM) I agree. But I think something around Viciedo and Nieto could get them talking. Try Viciedo and Montas. There is almost no market for Viciedo, and he could be had for less after DFA'd. Castro is a candidate for a bounce back season at a premium position.
December 17, 201411 yr Reds could be a fit, as they still don't have a left fielder (and Hamilton's speed can help with Viciedo's lack of range in LF).
December 17, 201411 yr QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 17, 2014 -> 01:54 PM) Reds could be a fit, as they still don't have a left fielder (and Hamilton's speed can help with Viciedo's lack of range in LF). Viciedo for Axelrod
December 17, 201411 yr QUOTE (fathom @ Dec 17, 2014 -> 01:54 PM) Reds could be a fit, as they still don't have a left fielder (and Hamilton's speed can help with Viciedo's lack of range in LF). They COULD look for Viciedo to bridge that 1 year gap to Jesse Winkler, but I wouldn't count on it. Edited December 17, 201411 yr by Chilihead90
December 17, 201411 yr Montas is going nowhere. They dont have the strong desire to upgrade Flowers. If they were going to do it, it was going to be Martin. Other options not worth it right now since Flowers is worth his (small) salary.
December 17, 201411 yr QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Dec 17, 2014 -> 02:51 PM) Try Viciedo and Montas. There is almost no market for Viciedo, and he could be had for less after DFA'd. Castro is a candidate for a bounce back season at a premium position. Why is Castro, who is 2 years older and, other than 1 year, been a worse offensive player than Dayan a bounce back candidate but Viciedo is not?
December 17, 201411 yr QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Dec 17, 2014 -> 03:24 PM) Why is Castro, who is 2 years older and, other than 1 year, been a worse offensive player than Dayan a bounce back candidate but Viciedo is not? Can't have a bounce back season until you have a breakout season.
December 17, 201411 yr QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 17, 2014 -> 02:29 PM) Can't have a bounce back season until you have a breakout season. Didn't Viciedo jack 25 HRs his first full season?
December 17, 201411 yr QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Dec 17, 2014 -> 03:31 PM) Didn't Viciedo jack 25 HRs his first full season? 0.4 WAR is a sad best season
December 17, 201411 yr QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Dec 17, 2014 -> 02:24 PM) Why is Castro, who is 2 years older and, other than 1 year, been a worse offensive player than Dayan a bounce back candidate but Viciedo is not? Because defense matters.
December 17, 201411 yr QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Dec 17, 2014 -> 02:24 PM) Why is Castro, who is 2 years older and, other than 1 year, been a worse offensive player than Dayan a bounce back candidate but Viciedo is not? If Viciedo played catcher, this conversation wouldn't be happening.
December 17, 201411 yr QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 17, 2014 -> 04:11 PM) If Viciedo played catcher, this conversation wouldn't be happening. bingo. This isn't the sillyball era but if you're -10 runs below average in LF you sure as s*** better slash 270/330/450. Tank didn't even come close to that last year. His power does not make up for his lack of contact and OBP, not to even mention his defense. Tank sucks, he's only useful to a team rebuilding or looking to add a .5 WAR player to their bench that has a bit of upside. Those teams exists, but it's not an easy fit.
December 17, 201411 yr Man, if the sabes didnt exist it would have been so easy to trade Tank for something good! I bet 10 years ago you could have gotten a nice return for a guy like him.
December 17, 201411 yr Seeing what Rios and other 1 WAR players make in free agency, i just honestly cant believe some team isnt willing to take a chance on the remaining DV upside. He's not old.
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