chitownsportsfan Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jul 10, 2015 -> 01:45 PM) Eh maybe. Won't be at all surprised if he became productive again elsewhere Boni has sucked goat balls but RV has no clue how to use him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 (edited) QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jul 10, 2015 -> 12:00 PM) Boni has sucked goat balls but RV has no clue how to use him. Clearly he's sucked, but track record says he can be a decent bench piece against lefties. And what you said. Edited July 10, 2015 by Stan Bahnsen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 The RV doesn't know how to use him is pure BS. He has a ..344 OPS against LHP, a .332 OPS vs. RHP, his glove has been horrible. RV not playing him IS USING HIM PROPERLY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 10, 2015 Author Share Posted July 10, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 10, 2015 -> 01:51 PM) The thing about Bonifacio is he usually is pretty weak for long stretches, but goes on an amazing hot streak or 2 which keeps his numbers respectable. QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 10, 2015 -> 02:07 PM) The RV doesn't know how to use him is pure BS. He has a ..344 OPS against LHP, a .332 OPS vs. RHP, his glove has been horrible. RV not playing him IS USING HIM PROPERLY. I'm pretty sure the first post explained the way you wind up needing to use him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 10, 2015 -> 01:08 PM) I'm pretty sure the first post explained the way you wind up needing to use him? Not really. You don't know when the hot streak is going to happen. If he gets a couple of hits, it probably is a sign to keep him in the line up a few days, but if he is not hitting at all, it isn't unusual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 10, 2015 Author Share Posted July 10, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 10, 2015 -> 02:13 PM) Not really. You don't know when the hot streak is going to happen. If he gets a couple of hits, it probably is a sign to keep him in the line up a few days, but if he is not hitting at all, it isn't unusual. That leads to the conclusion you actually have to play him on a fairly regular basis otherwise he's almost guaranteed to be a complete waste? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 10, 2015 -> 01:15 PM) That leads to the conclusion you actually have to play him on a fairly regular basis otherwise he's almost guaranteed to be a complete waste? For him to not be a complete waste, he would need to play better defense when he's not hitting. TO put a likely bad offensive player in 2 games a week in which every 3rd week he'll be offensively successful, you can't have his garbage d for the rest of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 10, 2015 -> 01:15 PM) That leads to the conclusion you actually have to play him on a fairly regular basis otherwise he's almost guaranteed to be a complete waste? Exactly. Which in hindsight made the signing of Bonifacio a huge waste in the first place because he wouldn't have played everyday even if everything happened perfectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 10, 2015 Author Share Posted July 10, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 10, 2015 -> 02:17 PM) For him to not be a complete waste, he would need to play better defense when he's not hitting. TO put a likely bad offensive player in 2 games a week in which every 3rd week he'll be offensively successful, you can't have his garbage d for the rest of the time. The way I'd have used him, except for when Abreu was hurt, would be to put him in RF on days when there's a left handed starter and move Garcia to the DH spot. Takes LaRoche's bat out of the lineup against LHP, gives Bonifacio more regular PAs, and we might still actually get a defensive upgrade. Then maybe he does find a groove with more regular PAs and we could use him more in the IF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Bonifacio is a bench player so you take what you can get. If he hits .280, it will be one of the most inconsistent .280s in the league. Look at his game logs. 85-90% of the season he hits like a pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 10, 2015 -> 01:20 PM) The way I'd have used him, except for when Abreu was hurt, would be to put him in RF on days when there's a left handed starter and move Garcia to the DH spot. Takes LaRoche's bat out of the lineup against LHP, gives Bonifacio more regular PAs, and we might still actually get a defensive upgrade. Then maybe he does find a groove with more regular PAs and we could use him more in the IF. Him being exclusively OF reserve is consistent with him being a waste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 10, 2015 Author Share Posted July 10, 2015 QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 10, 2015 -> 02:24 PM) Him being exclusively OF reserve is consistent with him being a waste. We really do need a righty somewhere in this roster to take PAs away from LaRoche. That's the role I thought Semien would fill...then that became the role I thought Bonifacio would fill, because why else would you spend that much money on him after already signing Beckham? (Beckham, btw, was needed to be the RH platoon with Gillaspie, which was equally important to having a platoon partner for LaRoche) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 10, 2015 -> 02:20 PM) The way I'd have used him, except for when Abreu was hurt, would be to put him in RF on days when there's a left handed starter and move Garcia to the DH spot. Takes LaRoche's bat out of the lineup against LHP, gives Bonifacio more regular PAs, and we might still actually get a defensive upgrade. Then maybe he does find a groove with more regular PAs and we could use him more in the IF. Yep, he should have been playing 3-5 times a week from the start and he should have been mostly in RF and 3B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 I was totally in support of bonifacio as well. But he has played like dog crap and him being awful at 2b and SS has not led me to believe that not signing beckham and relying on him for 3b would have been key to anything. The problem with Bonifacio has been bonifacio. He was a great idea that has been outplayed by everyone else in some facet or another. ANd that is SAYING something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 10, 2015 -> 01:26 PM) We really do need a righty somewhere in this roster to take PAs away from LaRoche. That's the role I thought Semien would fill...then that became the role I thought Bonifacio would fill, because why else would you spend that much money on him after already signing Beckham? (Beckham, btw, was needed to be the RH platoon with Gillaspie, which was equally important to having a platoon partner for LaRoche) They signed Bonifacio before they signed Beckham. The fact is Beckham and Shuck outplayed him. People moan about guys like Flowers and Beckham and Sanchez and last season Leury Garcia, well, Bonifacio has been worse than all of them, yet there are complaints he isn't used "properly". If being used properly is not being used with the other guys, why wouldn't it apply here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted July 10, 2015 Author Share Posted July 10, 2015 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 10, 2015 -> 02:38 PM) They signed Bonifacio before they signed Beckham. The fact is Beckham and Shuck outplayed him. People moan about guys like Flowers and Beckham and Sanchez and last season Leury Garcia, well, Bonifacio has been worse than all of them, yet there are complaints he isn't used "properly". If being used properly is not being used with the other guys, why wouldn't it apply here? Pretty sure I didn't like how Leury was used last year. He was on the bench so Konerko could be on the roster when he should have been starting at SS, probably in AA. With as little positional talent as the White Sox have, even a remote chance wild card seemed to me to be better than letting him rot on the bench as the emergency backup. Anyway...the end result is this is another failure by the front office. We desperately needed platoon partners for the guys they were going to use at 3b and DH and the job they did of filling that role is totally inadequate, leaving this team extremely easy for left handers to beat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JolietThunder Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 I don't want sox to get get rid of Beckham cause of his defense. RV should use him as defenisve replacement toward the end of the game. He shouldn't start more then 1 game a week. First time posting, been reading material here for past couple of years love the insight most SoxFan have. Been Sox Fan since '92. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouCanPutItOnTheBoardYES! Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 QUOTE (JolietThunder @ Jul 10, 2015 -> 02:41 PM) I don't want sox to get get rid of Beckham cause of his defense. RV should use him as defenisve replacement toward the end of the game. He shouldn't start more then 1 game a week. First time posting, been reading material here for past couple of years love the insight most SoxFan have. Been Sox Fan since '92. Welcome to the forum! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Christopher Kamka @ckamka 2m2 minutes ago Tyler Saladino is the 21st #WhiteSox starting third baseman since Joe Crede's last start at the hot corner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Hopefully Saladino can play defense at third and we can jettison Gordon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCCWS Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Tough series, fairly new at the position and tough spot in the order to throw a kid into. He must have made an enemy in the organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShandyMan Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jul 10, 2015 -> 03:24 PM) Tough series, fairly new at the position and tough spot in the order to throw a kid into. He must have made an enemy in the organization. How so? It's an opportunity in the big leagues, time to step up. There is no reason to baby him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 I think Bonifacio or Conor will be gone before Gordon if Saladino is able to stick. Gordon is at least providing stellar defense, it just comes down to Saladino starting or being a utility player like Bonifacio was supposed to be. That means backing up the entire infield with the ability to go to the OF in a pinch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 With a LHP on the mound tomorrow I wonder if Saladino gets another start or if Beckham will get the nod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunt Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 I thought Saladino looked at home defensively at 3rd today, I would much rather give him a serious chance at third for the next month or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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