It would be an interesting exercise to see how Eaton's value would move if he was put in LF

Ofcourse they get a ton of credit.

 

But if we're doing about player comparisons I'm not taking Eaton over Jason Heyward. I think comparing their contract status is silly. The circumstances are completely different for each player.

They all fit in a 25 man roster with payroll constraints. I want the best roster of talent per $ spent I could put together. If I only had 125M to spend, I could build a better team if I had 5 Adam Eaton's, etc. If I am the Dodgers, I might have a slightly different opinion as the extent I need to have surplus talent is minimized as the payroll capabilities grow higher.

 

When I think about Eaton or Hayward, who is the better player, it is Heyward. When I think of who I'd rather have on the Sox from a building of the franchise perspective, I think they are pretty close. You absolutely can't ignore contracts.

Contracts are the biggest parts of trades and signings anymore. It isn't about player comparision. I think everyone here knows Heyward is the better player, but if you have $23 million to spend, you are better off with Eaton and whatever else you can get with the balance.

 

I seriously dont think the OP knows who the better player is.

Would Eaton's defense improve playing RF instead of CF?

No, but it would if he were switched to LF.

Guys, having Eaton allows us to have Laroche, don't forget that.

Contracts are the biggest parts of trades and signings anymore. It isn't about player comparision. I think everyone here knows Heyward is the better player, but if you have $23 million to spend, you are better off with Eaton and whatever else you can get with the balance.

 

This is wrong. There's no limit to how much money teams can spend, so the Heyward money is play money. It's all about player value. Teams can sign guys and sit them if they want.

Guys, having Eaton allows us to have Laroche, don't forget that.

 

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Ofcourse they get a ton of credit.

 

But if we're doing about player comparisons I'm not taking Eaton over Jason Heyward. I think comparing their contract status is silly. The circumstances are completely different for each player.

 

Comparing contract status is not silly. For what is being paid I will take Eaton and his contract everyday.

Ofcourse they get a ton of credit.

 

But if we're doing about player comparisons I'm not taking Eaton over Jason Heyward. I think comparing their contract status is silly. The circumstances are completely different for each player.

 

Ignoring contracts is what is silly. How did teams feel about Soriano, Crawford, Arod in year 5, 6, 7?

 

Eaton will make the exact same amount in the first five years of his contract as Heyward will next year. If that is silly, than I will openly proclaim that pretending corner outfield defense is that important is silly. And I follow sabr close.

 

 

Ignoring contracts is what is silly. How did teams feel about Soriano, Crawford, Arod in year 5, 6, 7?

 

Eaton will make the exact same amount in the first five years of his contract as Heyward will next year. If that is silly, than I will openly proclaim that pretending corner outfield defense is that important is silly. And I follow sabr close.

 

He's not going to see year 5,6 or 7 of that deal. There's clearly going to be an opt out.

 

Speaking of defense Eaton has yet to play defense up to the standards of even his contract.

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This is wrong. There's no limit to how much money teams can spend, so the Heyward money is play money. It's all about player value. Teams can sign guys and sit them if they want.

There certainly is a limit to how much money you can spend. Why don't you live in a $20 million mansion? There are no laws against you buying one. Why don't you have a better car, a better pair of shoes, a finer quality suit?

 

The fact is baseball teams are businesses, that like you and me, have budgets.

This thread is missing the words "" All things being equal."

 

All things equal you take Heyward.

This thread is missing the words "" All things being equal."

 

All things equal you take Heyward.

 

That's what I was trying to get at in the first page. But everyone is ready to double down on the contract. The context for why each player is in the contract situation they are in is important.

Bad thread, predictable but bad. I'm ashamed, you all should be ashamed, it's just very shameful all around.

He's not going to see year 5,6 or 7 of that deal. There's clearly going to be an opt out.

 

Speaking of defense Eaton has yet to play defense up to the standards of even his contract.

 

Opt outs are in favor of the player. If he regresses the team is stuck with the whole contract.

 

And it depends on which defensive metrics you look at and the fact the CF is widely considered the more difficult defensive position.

This thread is missing the words "" All things being equal."

 

All things equal you take Heyward.

If all things were equal, it would be a toss up.

This is wrong. There's no limit to how much money teams can spend, so the Heyward money is play money. It's all about player value. Teams can sign guys and sit them if they want.

Yes, there is alimit to what the teams can spend. It's whatever the owner says. The GM needs to work within tnose constraints. Right niw the cubs have an advantage because most of their players are young and inexpensive. If this was 4 years fromnow and scwarber and bryant etc. ars in arbitration, you can bet the cubs wouldn't be in the position to make this deal.

Yes, there is alimit to what the teams can spend. It's whatever the owner says. The GM needs to work within tnose constraints. Right niw the cubs have an advantage because most of their players are young and inexpensive. If this was 4 years fromnow and scwarber and bryant etc. ars in arbitration, you can bet the cubs wouldn't be in the position to make this deal.

Of course, 4 years from now there's going to be a lot more revenue growth, including new local TV deal/local TV channel for the Cubs. If you throw in "competitive every year led by that AS 3rd baseman" and maybe, god forbid, even a WS appearance (I will not type anything farther than that), the revenue growth on the north side could very easily compensate for that.

Guys, having Eaton allows us to have Laroche, don't forget that.

 

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Of course, 4 years from now there's going to be a lot more revenue growth, including new local TV deal/local TV channel for the Cubs. If you throw in "competitive every year led by that AS 3rd baseman" and maybe, god forbid, even a WS appearance (I will not type anything farther than that), the revenue growth on the north side could very easily compensate for that.

Of course. Having more revenue changes the whole equation. I was referring to a scenario if the service time on the young players was at the arbitration or near free agency now instead of them being inexpensive.

Opt outs are in favor of the player. If he regresses the team is stuck with the whole contract.

 

And it depends on which defensive metrics you look at and the fact the CF is widely considered the more difficult defensive position.

Not entirely. Barring something catastrophic the Cubs just signed Heyward to a 3 year, ~$70M contract. Sure there's obvious risk there but if Heyward just stays healthy and plays well the Cubs get his prime years for a reasonable salary and don't have to deal with the inevitable sunk cost of an aging outfielder 6 years from now.

I don't think Eaton is sniffing nearing Heyward in HR totals going forward.

I don't think Eaton is sniffing nearing Heyward in HR totals going forward.

 

At the same time, Heyward's stolen bases totals will diminish now that he doesn't get to face Lester 6 times

I don't think Eaton is sniffing nearing Heyward in HR totals going forward.

You'd think so, but Heyward hasn't really repeated his 2010/2012 seasons in recent years.

 

We'll see, I guess.

You'd think so, but Heyward hasn't really repeated his 2010/2012 seasons in recent years.

 

We'll see, I guess.

 

About 40% of Heyward's homers have gone to RF in his career. Down the lines at Wrigley isn't the easiest place to hit homers, especially for a line drive hitter like him.