What is the fascination with Lincecum? He has been horrible for 4 years in a big park in the NL, and he is coming off surgery.

 

I'd be willing to add him on an incentive based minor league deal, nothing more.

If the white sox weren't willing to pony up for what it takes for this roster to be competitive in the next 2 years then why did they trade for 2 different guys who are free agents in 2 years?

 

interesting opinion. so would there be a max number whether it be salary or yrs that will convince you to say.... ah no thanks????

 

for discussion sake.

No he's not, because until Cespedes is signed, there is still hope he signs with the Sox.

 

Yes I am, in my mind!! If it happens fine. If not, I'll unhappily accept it!

 

No he's not, because until Cespedes is signed, there is still hope he signs with the Sox.

 

 

I agree. The thing that is funny is that whenever there's a report about another team being out (Tigers and Angels Luxury Tax Issues) everyone thinks it's total nonsense and doesn't believe it. But when someone says that the White Sox are only willing o go 3 years and low money, everyone takes it as gospel. It really is quite absurd. Yes, the organization hates all of us. They are being stupid on purpose. This place is a dumpster fire right now.

I agree. The thing that is funny is that whenever there's a report about another team being out (Tigers and Angels Luxury Tax Issues) everyone thinks it's total nonsense and doesn't believe it. But when someone says that the White Sox are only willing o go 3 years and low money, everyone takes it as gospel. It really is quite absurd. Yes, the organization hates all of us. They are being stupid on purpose. This place is a dumpster fire right now.

 

Thank you.

Thank you.

 

 

Do you follow Sox fans on twitter? It's just a terrible place right now.

isn't that all about being a fan.... dreaming on the "what if"

 

"What if" we, as Sox fans, had an ownership group that would spend for an Upton or Cespedes. Now that really is dreaming! Maybe the next ownership group will!!

LDF, let's hope you and I will see that someday, along with a FO that knows how to build a farm system.

 

Do you follow Sox fans on twitter? It's just a terrible place right now.

 

Not many, on purpose. I stick mostly to informational follows just for that reason. I want to see the rumors/facts, and judge for myself what they mean.

I agree. The thing that is funny is that whenever there's a report about another team being out (Tigers and Angels Luxury Tax Issues) everyone thinks it's total nonsense and doesn't believe it. But when someone says that the White Sox are only willing o go 3 years and low money, everyone takes it as gospel. It really is quite absurd. Yes, the organization hates all of us. They are being stupid on purpose. This place is a dumpster fire right now.

The problem is this organization has a history of bizarre self-policies. Are you going to tell not going over slot for years wasn't stupid? I agree for the most part with you, I think there is definitely posturing going on, but a small part of me thinks there is truth to this three year nonsense and it continues to grow with each and every tweet.

If the white sox weren't willing to pony up for what it takes for this roster to be competitive in the next 2 years then why did they trade for 2 different guys who are free agents in 2 years?

If they don't make this move then my guess is that they don't agree with your assumption that it is NOT a competitive lineup w/o an upgrade in RF.

"What if" we, as Sox fans, had an ownership group that would spend for an Upton or Cespedes. Now that really is dreaming! Maybe the next ownership group will!!

LDF, let's hope you and I will see that someday, along with a FO that knows how to build a farm system.

 

now i am blind in my trust, with that acknowledgement, i can see a chg in the new management esp in Hahn at the helm.

 

but the main point is now is between now and when the sox minor league will be ready to produce. until then we as fans have to keep plugging along and for me, biiitching and ranting of the sox FO.

 

 

"What if" we, as Sox fans, had an ownership group that would spend for an Upton or Cespedes. Now that really is dreaming! Maybe the next ownership group will!!

LDF, let's hope you and I will see that someday, along with a FO that knows how to build a farm system.

 

oops i forgot, the sox did get lucky once and stumble into a WS win.....l

 

many thanks for lady luck on that one.

I agree. The thing that is funny is that whenever there's a report about another team being out (Tigers and Angels Luxury Tax Issues) everyone thinks it's total nonsense and doesn't believe it. But when someone says that the White Sox are only willing o go 3 years and low money, everyone takes it as gospel. It really is quite absurd. Yes, the organization hates all of us. They are being stupid on purpose. This place is a dumpster fire right now.

 

Only issue I have is so far, there's no proof they are willing to go long-term with any of these outfielders. Nightengale today said Sox only wanted Upton on a short-term deal.

The problem is this organization has a history of bizarre self-policies. Are you going to tell not going over slot for years wasn't stupid? I agree for the most part with you, I think there is definitely posturing going on, but a small part of me thinks there is truth to this three year nonsense and it continues to grow with each and every tweet.

 

a nice post and no offense to any...

 

it was really assine in the 90's when the team was loaded...... and only if they invested on 2 players more, instead of this reclamation project the owners kept on putting out there.

Only issue I have is so far, there's no proof they are willing to go long-term with any of these outfielders. Nightengale today said Sox only wanted Upton on a short-term deal.

 

 

Other than Brian telling us that the 3 year thing was nonsense and nobody listened. He could tell us that the White Sox were interested in acquiring Mike Stanton and everyone would believe him but he said that the 3 year thing wouldn't be why they don't land someone and everyone ignored it.

If the white sox weren't willing to pony up for what it takes for this roster to be competitive in the next 2 years then why did they trade for 2 different guys who are free agents in 2 years?

The White Sox are trying to build a team, not build a team around Cespedes. As ive said a few times in this thread already, Cespedes and his demands were not realistic for the Sox in the first place so i never counted on the Sox signing him. Sure i hoped like a few others but never did see a fit. The Sox needed upgrades at 3B and 2B so they went out and traded for the best of what was available. You know as well as the rest of us that the 3B market had little to choose from. Should the Sox have signed Freese instead? Or signed an old veteran like Rollins for SS/2B? Should the Sox have not made those upgrades and rolled with Saladino at 3B, Alexei at SS and Sanchez at 2B? That recipe didn't work in '15 so the Sox had to make changes from what was available on the market and I think they did pretty damn good in their upgrades at 3B/2B.

 

Too many fans are mentally looking at the trades of Lawrie and Frazier being based around the assumption that the Sox would or even could sign Cespedes, a player that has said since last September he was seeking 6/150. Bad assumption...

 

 

 

 

If they lose out on Cespedes, give me Jackson and Pearce and call it an offseason. That's 3.3 fWAR you're adding, better D in CF, and a good platoon option with LaRoche and bat off the bench.

This is a pretty good plan B if Cespedes doesn't come to the Sox. Pearce is an intriguing possibility, although what happens to Avi in this scenario.

The White Sox are trying to build a team, not build a team around Cespedes. As ive said a few times in this thread already, Cespedes and his demands were not realistic for the Sox in the first place so i never counted on the Sox signing him. Sure i hoped like a few others but never did see a fit. The Sox needed upgrades at 3B and 2B so they went out and traded for the best of what was available. You know as well as the rest of us that the 3B market had little to choose from. Should the Sox have signed Freese instead? Or signed an old veteran like Rollins for SS/2B? Should the Sox have not made those upgrades and rolled with Saladino at 3B, Alexei at SS and Sanchez at 2B? That recipe didn't work in '15 so the Sox had to make changes from what was available on the market and I think they did pretty damn good in their upgrades at 3B/2B.

 

Too many fans are mentally looking at the trades of Lawrie and Frazier being based around the assumption that the Sox would or even could sign Cespedes, a player that has said since last September he was seeking 6/150. Bad assumption...

I guess what I don't understand is the logic that another team signing a player that was a longshot from the get go to be a White Sox totally ends the White Sox pursuit of upgrades. It's really bizarre.

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 1m1 minute ago

Sources: #Marlins among teams that have discussed pursuing Cespedes on short-term deal. Likely would require accompanying trade of Ozuna.

 

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 1m1 minute ago

#Marlins offered Cespedes $36M/6 yrs. when he left Cuba, #Athletics signed him for $36M/4. Unlikely MIA would be at front of market now.

 

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 3m3 minutes ago

Per @flasportsbuzz, #Marlins offered Ozuna to #Reds and #Rangers before signing Chen, seeking SP. Did not get desired proposal in return.

 

 

 

Now the #Marlins are in the Cespedes sweepstakes. What are they doing? Lol

So Marlins are in on him and Nats only if it's a short deal.

en Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 1m1 minute ago

Source confirm that #Nationals interested in Cespedes if price drops, as @BNightengale said. The question: Which team, if any, will jump?

I guess what I don't understand is the logic that another team signing a player that was a longshot from the get go to be a White Sox totally ends the White Sox pursuit of upgrades. It's really bizarre.

 

It doesn't end the pursuit, just lessens the chances of Cespedes ending up here because all of the suitors for Upton are now going to be looking into Cespedes.

The White Sox are trying to build a team, not build a team around Cespedes. As ive said a few times in this thread already, Cespedes and his demands were not realistic for the Sox in the first place so i never counted on the Sox signing him. Sure i hoped like a few others but never did see a fit. The Sox needed upgrades at 3B and 2B so they went out and traded for the best of what was available. You know as well as the rest of us that the 3B market had little to choose from. Should the Sox have signed Freese instead? Or signed an old veteran like Rollins for SS/2B? Should the Sox have not made those upgrades and rolled with Saladino at 3B, Alexei at SS and Sanchez at 2B? That recipe didn't work in '15 so the Sox had to make changes from what was available on the market and I think they did pretty damn good in their upgrades at 3B/2B.

 

Too many fans are mentally looking at the trades of Lawrie and Frazier being based around the assumption that the Sox would or even could sign Cespedes, a player that has said since last September he was seeking 6/150. Bad assumption...

What isn't said in reply is how having Lawrie and Frazier walk in 2 years helps the White Sox "build a team".

 

Through specifically the Frazier move the White sox said bluntly they have a 2 year window before a major offensive piece hits FA. They need to act like that. If they weren't prepared to act like that, then they managed to make their job of "building a team" much more difficult.

Where would the Nats play Cespedes if they got him? I guess they could try to move Revere but I thought he would leadoff for them. I don't really know who would if they dealt him.