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QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 18, 2016 -> 10:46 PM)
We're the patsies of the Central. Sox are officially a clown team. They've been the worst team in baseball for over a month now. They're not going anywhere.

Time to start a huge rebuild/reload. No need to fire Robin now but work on a manager for next season while trading off everybody except Sale and Quintana and Abreu, same scenario as after last season. Trade everybody you can besides those 3.

Either spend like the Red Sox/Dodgers/Tigers and try to buy a championship, or tear this f***er down. To quote the great philosopher Yoda: "Do or do not. There is no try"

 

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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 18, 2016 -> 09:09 PM)
http://www.southsidesox.com/2016/6/18/1197...spirals-further

 

Worth it for the hilarious Lawrie GIF.

 

That one and the Quintana HOF plaque are the only thing helping me to maintain my sanity.

 

Going to have to try to track down the Navarro error, supposedly that one is priceless as well.

Why was Lawrie so pissed?

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Look at this realistically.

 

You hold onto Q, Sale, Eaton, Abreu and Rodon, what do you have left that provides any value for the organization?

 

Frazier and Cabrera have some decent value, but not a ton to where you can build up the rest of the line-up around that core. Can you convince other GM's that Frazier will automatically return back to his first half 2015 version in the NL? Same case with David Robertson, but you're not getting to get blown out of the water for a semi-elite closer making elite closer money. Maybe if the Yankees pull Miller/Chapman off the market, Robertson becomes more valuable....and maybe the Astros' bullpen stays intact with them getting back into the WC race.

 

You'll get a collection of nice pieces that will populate the 6-10 spot on our new Top Ten list and give it some real depth again, but if you're making trades for MLB-ready players, they're more like the equivalent of Avi Garcia or Lawrie.

 

After that, who are you willing to trade? Nate Jones? Our catchers and bench have no value, and Saladino has more value to the Sox than to other teams, but the only real solution is to start selling from those five players who have the most value or you're just changing deck chairs on the periphery.

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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 19, 2016 -> 12:23 AM)
Look at this realistically.

 

You hold onto Q, Sale, Eaton, Abreu and Rodon, what do you have left that provides any value for the organization?

 

Frazier and Cabrera have some decent value, but not a ton to where you can build up the rest of the line-up around that core. Can you convince other GM's that Frazier will automatically return back to his first half 2015 version in the NL? Same case with David Robertson, but you're not getting to get blown out of the water for a semi-elite closer making elite closer money. Maybe if the Yankees pull Miller/Chapman off the market, Robertson becomes more valuable....and maybe the Astros' bullpen stays intact with them getting back into the WC race.

 

You'll get a collection of nice pieces that will populate the 6-10 spot on our new Top Ten list and give it some real depth again, but if you're making trades for MLB-ready players, they're more like the equivalent of Avi Garcia or Lawrie.

 

After that, who are you willing to trade? Nate Jones? Our catchers and bench have no value, and Saladino has more value to the Sox than to other teams, but the only real solution is to start selling from those five players who have the most value or you're just changing deck chairs on the periphery.

 

I'd be willing to trade anyone except Anderson and Rodon. This team is not going anywhere for at least 4-5 years assuming we actually get some key pieces to a future contender back in trades and draft well.

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QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Jun 18, 2016 -> 10:07 PM)
Trade the best players with them most favorable contracts? Uh, no.

Uh, yes... If you're rebuilding and wanting top prospects that can influx a roster in 2 to 3 years, you HAVE to trade your most valuable players.

 

If we traded Sale we could get a teams top 3 prospects and a curent major league young controllable player.

 

If we traded Q we could get a teams two prospects and at least another lower minors 5 - 10 ranked guy.

 

If we traded Abreu, there's another top prospect and two lower level 5 - 10 guy.

 

Just those three would bring back at least 5 or 6 roster spots for 2018 or 2019. You then supplement that with FA spending. If you're going to sell - then f***ing sell.

 

We've been through this debate since 2007 and what you're suggesting hasn't worked for 9 years. When is enough enough?

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QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 18, 2016 -> 10:46 PM)
We're the patsies of the Central. Sox are officially a clown team. They've been the worst team in baseball for over a month now. They're not going anywhere.

Time to start a huge rebuild/reload. No need to fire Robin now but work on a manager for next season while trading off everybody except Sale and Quintana and Abreu, same scenario as after last season. Trade everybody you can besides those 3.

 

No, no halfway rebuilds. Blow it all up and start over. They have shown they can't pull off a rebuild on the fly.

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QUOTE (hi8is @ Jun 19, 2016 -> 01:07 AM)
Uh, yes... If you're rebuilding and wanting top prospects that can influx a roster in 2 to 3 years, you HAVE to trade your most valuable players.

 

If we traded Sale we could get a teams top 3 prospects and a curent major league young controllable player.

 

If we traded Q we could get a teams two prospects and at least another lower minors 5 - 10 ranked guy.

 

If we traded Abreu, there's another top prospect and two lower level 5 - 10 guy.

 

Just those three would bring back at least 5 or 6 roster spots for 2018 or 2019. You then supplement that with FA spending. If you're going to sell - then f***ing sell.

 

We've been through this debate since 2007 and what you're suggesting hasn't worked for 9 years. When is enough enough?

 

Exactly haven't they tried the halfway rebuild thing already? It didn't work. Need to clean house. Get good value for Sale and Q before they end up with a serious injury. It's probably the peak of Sale's value this year anyway you could probably get a haul at the deadline or this offseason.

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QUOTE (hi8is @ Jun 19, 2016 -> 01:07 AM)
We've been through this debate since 2007 and what you're suggesting hasn't worked for 9 years. When is enough enough?

 

I agree. I think Sox fandom is weary. Another bad stretch and the season will be a repeat of the last few.. The battle to .500

 

The organization fears throwing a bunch of prospects out there and allowing then to ripen on the vine. As far as fan reaction to that scenario? I don't see how it can be any worse than it is now.

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