Look at Ray Ray Run

Correct. System is complete garbage but it is what it is, and I'm not going to throw myself in front of the bulldozer because of the city making this type of deal again... especially since for once, I actually like the result!

Amazon negotiates massive tax breaks to build humongous, ugly, warehouse distribution centers. They don't pay dollars in taxes for decades while generating massive amounts of revenue. Their workforce that populates these facilities also aren't paid enough to survive so the government subsidizes them with forms of welfare. Every major corporation and developer in the country practices these same tactics. Difference for me? At least this is developing an area for multi-purpose, residential and developing the south loop area in a way that truly is beneficial for people and businesses in the area. Most of these other corporations gets these tax breaks to drive out small business and destroy communities. The outrage over a very standard proposal is amazing to me.

If the Cubs came up with a plan that wouldn't increase my taxes or add any new taxes, but would siphon money from something that is already being siphoned for a very similar purpose, my guess I wouldn't actually care beyond my standard hating on everything Cubs. This isn't about building a ballpark, it's about developing the land and adding more life to the South Loop and building up the area. Jerry is just benefiting from that, but that's just how this BS works now.

Can't say this enough that while it's state tax dollars, this is mostly tourist dollars funding this. Could we use the money for something else? I guess, sure.... but it's not as if this state has been putting my dollars to the best use over the past 30 years.

Most new apartment buildings are half empty? What are you guys even talking about? Occupancy in Chicago at any new buildings built in the last 15 years is right around normal rates. Chicago is not empty or barren. Tourism hasn't left --- a I noted 100 times, tourism is right at record highs. Converting office buildings into residential, in many cases, isn't even reasonable or efficient --- it would cost more to convert them because of piping/bathroom/kitchen challenges than it would to just start fresh. This site also is majority residential in the proposal so I'm not sure what the issue is.

No one cares about this stuff but for you and small pockets of people. These things are already in place. No one is marching on city hall against them. Tourism in 2023 was near record highs, maybe just below 2019. And sorry that people didn't plan for covid crushing tourism across the world.

Say what you will about Jerry, and guys like SSHM are doing that, but this is a brilliant deal and proposal taking into account the real things politicians care about (perception and development). Even if it extends where the tax goes, no "new tax" is an easy sell, and residents don't pay hotel tax so it's mostly subsidized by tourists. Those other things SSHM mentioned are already in place and no one complains about them or knows about them. Pritzker gets to stay true to no new tax on his watch for billionaires stadiums. Johnson sheds the soldier field debt and essentially politically trades it for the development of an area the city has been after for decades. Jerry gets to maintain his sweet heart deal and use found funds to further subsidize his new stadium absent debt.

Wait, they're banning driving to games?

Honestly amazing hearing and reading some of these takes. Especially with the proposed project in it's entirety, the population density within a mile of the ball park is going to go up 2-3 times. The location is great, they're going to be in the heart of sky scrapers closeish to the lake and and on the river. Some people were crying about no roof? Why would you want a roof to block the view? It's one of the coolest parts of the proposal. I actually didn't hate CF either because it looked open to people across the way at restaurants or condos (whatever it was) and walking by in some parts it looked like. Obviously these designs more conceptual, but the entire thing is organization changing. And while I don't like Jerry as much as the next guy as an owner. This is in his wheel house, and it really could be a win for the city with the major development in that area which they've wanted to develop forever. Only reason I'm hesitant to believe anything is going to actually happen (even though it feels like this is literally the ONLY plan and they seem pretty far along honestly) is because we're Sox fans and we really can't have nice things usually.

Anyone complaining about this is too far gone. This would be the best thing to happen to the White Sox ever. The stadium is cool too. Nothing wrong with it.

Really depends. This team is spending no money. Doesn't seem like paying one guy would matter at all and bellinger ceiling is actually a great player and I've been pretty critical of him generally but he's a great player.

Some would say 50% less!

Sox 80th percentile zip outcomes would put them in the top 8 offensively last year.

That's fine, I'm just not a big fan of his game and think his positive (Highish floor) shouldn't be what the Sox are targeting.

Westburg stinks imo.

Ragans reminded me that I still got it. Loved ragans, loved the deal for the royals, and personally had been holding him on all year myself! Hire me!

There's not a single thing this team could do in August of 2024 to make angry.

Lopez has had a 104 wRC+ in a full season. He stinks but there's a proven outcome that makes him viable. I doubt dejong starts all year or at all. Eloy, moncada, Robert, Vaughn, benetendi all have good enough top line outcomes to substantiate what i said. Youre acting like I said this is their mean outcome.

I never liked this guy, even when he was solid. I'll give him 150 IPs with this team though. Bring the number down.

The truly amazing thing about this team is their 99% outcome might be under 500. The Sox could, if everything fell right, have a top 10 offense I think. If career years and health were existent, who knows. Their 99th percentile offense is top 10 well say. With pitching, you need to cover 800 innings with starters. Between soroka, crochet and kopech the Sox have about 200 innings. Fedde stinks, but let's say they let him stink for 150 innings. With cease gone, the Sox need to cover 450 innings with people not currently here lol.

What in the world are you smoking? Right now they're a 100+ loss team easily and you have them winning 81 games. Fedde blows. Kopech blows now. Crochet has never thrown more than 65 innings in a year and that was in college. Soroka blows. If the Sox trade cease, they contend for one of the worst rotations of the past decade easily.

I'm trying to keep up, are you arguing cease doesn't have a lot of value after a guy with zero mlb experience just signed for 300+ million to pitch?

Baltimore will be good for 3 years AT best and then return to bottom dwellers.

My point is most people try to point to the Dodgers and Yankees and say they don't win it all every year because money doesn't buy wins and you can win without spending, look at the rays.

Correa was literally broken which is how they got him from the Mets. Healthy Correa was gone. Buxton they extended at a discount because he's made of glass. He was never a free agent. Royse Lewis and Miguel Sano were never free agent signings by the Twins. Jaysus. This is like me saying uhhh luis robert!! Yes, luis robert is one of the ten best players on the planet imo. No, the Sox will not retain him if he remains at this level through FA. And the Sox aren't one of the financially disadvantaged teams either, they're just disadvantaged because of bad ownership.