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    Your Off Season Plan

    QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 4, 2016 -> 06:05 AM) Polanco was the name...I knew a P was in there somewhere. At any rate, they still don't have a SS unless Nick Gordon undergoes an amazing transformation. Right. Polanco is their SS. He's a back end top 100 guy and they like him. If you think they need a SS more than SP, I don't know what to tell you, but clearly you're not up to speed with their needs. I don't disagree that the Twins are unlikely to move Buxton/Sano/Berrios but again, its a team with interesting young offensive pieces that badly needs pitching. With an outsider now running the front office, perhaps he won't be as married to their prospects as the previous regime was. If they don't trade for controllable top of the rotation pitching, they're never going to get it.
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    Your Off Season Plan

    QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 3, 2016 -> 06:59 PM) Trading Buxton or Sano makes as much sense as the Sox dealing Anderson or Rodon. They need a good young SS more than they need to overpay for Sale or Q. Someone like Jean Segura was available to nearly every team in baseball for almost nothing...they went with Florimon/Escobar/Santana instead. At best, they'd offer Berrios (if they have, in fact, soured on him) and Kepler, who they'd be selling high on...and then one other piece, but an obvious match doesn't exist. The main problem is Sale would be leaving too early for their contention window, and Q just isn't returning the premium package because he's worth more to the Sox than other teams. As it is, they have to figure out how to pay Dozier and what to do with Plouffe. Pedro Florimon hasn't played for the Twins since 2014 when he had 70 ABs. I agree that the Twins probably won't trade Buxton or Sano, but they need pitching and they have peices to trade to get it. The Twins think they're closer to contention than you do (I tend to agree they're still a long way away), but again, that's mainly due to their horrific pitching. Like I said, probably not a fit there, but it's an out of the box trade partner whose needs match up.
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    Your Off Season Plan

    QUOTE (Dunt @ Oct 3, 2016 -> 03:38 PM) A big problem with rebuilding this offseason is that a lot of the best prospects in the game right now are in rebuilding organizations. You can sit there and hope the Red Sox will trade a package of Benintendi, Moncada, Devers, etc., but they don't need to trade for pitching. The Dodgers don't really need to either honestly. The good teams have insulated themselves so they don't have to overpay. I dont see a ton of guys out there right now that are going to come up and be no doubt offensive studs. Would you trade a guy like Q to the Pirates for a deal centered around Austin Meadows maybe? Do you really foresee the Yankees trading a bunch of the guys they just acquired for an ace? This looks like a really bad situation the Sox are in. Hope Jerry is ready to break open that piggy bank. You rarely see huge trades amongst division rivals but you have to wonder if the Twins would get involved in Sale or Q bidding. They need pitching in a MAJOR way and have the bullets. Some of their top prospects/young players have lost a bit of their glimmer, but that may even help the Sox. Buxton, Sano, Berrios, Kepler, etc...plus some of the younger pieces that are still in the minors. Twins never going to be able to spend to acquire top of the rotation FAs so this would be a way. Twins had 5.40 ERA from their starters this year.. Long shot for sure, but an interesting trade partner.
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    Renteria to Replace Ventura

    QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Oct 3, 2016 -> 03:14 PM) It's not like they want to throw him out. It's just if a team wants to deal with the Sox for one of our two lefties, they would rather deal Sale. I don't argue with this at all. Just arguing that he is not a "clubhouse cancer". I think trading Sale over Q is the right move if you're just moving one for multiple reasons. I would, however, probably move both if you move one.
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    Renteria to Replace Ventura

    QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Oct 3, 2016 -> 03:10 PM) Are you sure that everyone in the clubhouse likes him? Would you like him causing a media sh*tstorm for your team and destroying your jersey with scissors? I doubt they gave a s*** about their jerseys. He's clearly a bit of a hothead, but his performance on the field far outweighs a few temper tantrums. Hell just a few weeks ago Rodon said (I am paraphrasing)..the Sox would be complete idiots to trade away Chris. I have learned a ton from him and he is one of the best pitchers in baseball. I obviously wouldn't expect one of his understudies to say he's a complete asshat and I hope he's traded, but I think the media took an easy story to run with and did just that. Chris is fine clubhouse guy that just wants to win.
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    Renteria to Replace Ventura

    QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 3, 2016 -> 03:04 PM) Maybe the players don't, but what about management? Who gives a s*** what the suits think? He's not a clubhouse cancer in the traditional sense if the guys in the clubhouse like him. He may be a pain in KW's ass, but that doesn't make him a cancer.
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    Renteria to Replace Ventura

    QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 3, 2016 -> 02:54 PM) Rodon should absolutely be a trade chip if you are unloading everyone Rodon is they type of guy you'd be hoping to get in deals. Trading him makes no sense. He has FIVE years of control left. Sale - 3 years Q - 4 years Rodon - 5 years
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    Renteria to Replace Ventura

    QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Oct 3, 2016 -> 02:40 PM) That makes sense, especially since Sale is the power pitcher than many covet, he's something of a clubhouse cancer, and he's under team control for one season less than Q. I really, really, really don't think the Sox players view Chris as a clubhouse cancer.
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    Renteria to Replace Ventura

    QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 3, 2016 -> 02:29 PM) If they go for it, I fully expect Carlos Gomez in CF I'd be fine with GoGo in CF even if they aren't clearly going for it. He's going to be relatively cheap, the man can go it in CF (or at least could), keeps Eaton in RF, and perhaps gives you a nice trade chip if he bounces back. He's OPSing .900 with Texas. I think he makes a ton of sense, outside of the fact he doesn't walk much (prior to SSS in Tex).
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    Your Off Season Plan

    QUOTE (2005thxfrthmmrs @ Oct 3, 2016 -> 02:11 PM) No, Urias is under control for 6 years I believe, a lot more team friendly situation even compared to Q. If I'm being honest with myself, I'd ask what is my biggest need right now if I'm the Dodgers. They probably need a 2 or a 3 right now, which they have the cash to go sign without losing a top prospect. They just need Urias to fill in as the 4th and 5th starter next season and soon enough he'll grow into that 2/3 they're missing. And if I'm rebuilding the Sox, I'd definitely take Urias for Q straight up. I am glad you're not the GM.
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    Why Do KW/RH Get to Keep Their Jobs?

    QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Oct 3, 2016 -> 08:25 AM) I used to be a huge pro-Hahn guy, but the Rollins/Latos/Navarro signings as starters on a "contender" were pretty horrible. Part of me thinks/hopes that KW was behind those moves. Hard to get too upset over signing three guys for a combined ~$7M. None were great signings, but they also weren't the Sox problem. I also think Rollins played a huge role in mentoring Anderson, which was well worth the $1M they paid him.
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    Poll: Are you still watching games?

    I haven't watched a full game in a couple weeks. Probably the first time I can say that in season in over a decade. Interest is at an all time low for me - but I still love my Sox, catch a few innings here and there, and always watch the highlights. Can't wait to see what this winter brings.
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    Who Will Be The Next Manager of the White Sox

    QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 23, 2016 -> 03:01 PM) I'd rather they hire the right guy. Hell Ventura was young. So was Ozzie. I made it pretty clear that I'd be fine if they went outside of the organization. If they do, I just prefer it to be a younger guy. Kepler would be great. Even though they aren't necessarily fully out of the organization, Dave Martinez or Sandy Alomar would be cool with me. I'd also like to see someone with some fire. The Sox have been some damn boring the last few years.
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    Who Will Be The Next Manager of the White Sox

    QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 23, 2016 -> 10:59 AM) For a manager, there is no such thing as "long" term. 10 years for any manager is a minor miracle. Their shelf life is typically 3 to 5 years anymore. Meh. If you hire a young guy, and it works out there is at least a chance of that. Hiring some old guy who would rather be sipping drinks on a beach somewhere in a few years isn't what the Sox need.
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    Who Will Be The Next Manager of the White Sox

    QUOTE (knightni @ Sep 23, 2016 -> 10:35 AM) You'd rather have AJ Pierzynski - with zero managerial experience - over a proven manager like Ron Washington? I would. I realize I may be in the minority, but I am just not into old tired managers. Ron Washington is 65 years old. This would most likely be his final job. I just don't see it as a good long term decision. Give me someone with some fire.
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    Who Will Be The Next Manager of the White Sox

    QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Sep 23, 2016 -> 09:48 AM) Would you be willing to hire another former Sox player that doesn't have any managerial experience whatsoever? I love A.J., but making him the manager would feel like Robin Ventura 2.0 to me. I don't see him being any better than Robin if he were to manage the team next year. If it's AJ, yah. I like Robin, seems like a top notch guy - but the dude was coaching HS baseball and had to be talked into the job. He is a dud personality wise. He has no fire. AJ would be fantastic. Having been a catcher, he's been a game manager for the past 18+ years in the big leagues. He has that fire that I think the Sox badly need. Wouldn't be scared to shake things up, or a put a player back in his place. I think the guys would play hard for AJ. Would there be some bumps? Probably, but I'd rather watch that than some old hag who will be out the door again in a year or two. THat said, I realize AJ is a complete long shot, and will respect the Sox decision if they go outside the organization. I really liked the Gabe Kepler suggestion earlier in this thread.
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    Who Will Be The Next Manager of the White Sox

    I would be pretty disappointed if it is Rick Renteria or some other old retread (Gardenhire, Washington, etc.). I am not against the Sox going away from hiring old players with no management experience, but its hard not to like the idea of AJ. I think he will be a great manager some day. He'd certainly spice things up.
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    MLB investigating Padres for hiding health info

    QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Sep 15, 2016 -> 03:56 PM) I thought it was weird right after the trade that the Padres tweeted out "no tradebacks", like they knew he was damaged goods. Wait, they did?
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    MLB investigating Padres for hiding health info

    I'll take another $2.5M per.
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    Adam Eaton

    Adam is great. However, if they do trade Sale and/or Q this winter, I'd be in support of moving Adam. The dude's value shouldn't be much lower than those two, in all honesty. He's really f'in good. That said, I hope they don't trade him - he's by far my favorite player.
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    White Sox Listening on Sale

    QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 14, 2016 -> 01:19 PM) Who was their ace? and if instant more success is instead of going 63-99 then jumping to possibly winning 70-72 games(currently at 64-81), then i guess the white sox are on this "instant more success" track The Phillies did pretty well in that trade. Jared Eickhoff is already a mid-rotation arm. Jake Thompson, while he struggled this year in majors, has the chance to be a top of the rotiation arm. Two top 100 prospects, one of which is catcher, plus another arm. Not a bad deal for the Phillies.
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    2017 Schedule

    QUOTE (bjm676 @ Sep 14, 2016 -> 01:04 PM) This will be a big test for new manager Aaron Rowand/AJ Pierzynski/Jim Thome I'd love to see AJ as the manager.
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    Tyler Saladino

    QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 14, 2016 -> 01:02 PM) He has played the OF on three different occasions this season. For a grand total of 4 innings. The dude isn't an OF.
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    White Sox Listening on Sale

    QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Sep 14, 2016 -> 12:43 PM) Again fowler is not a guarantee free agent. How do you get 15-20 million. Fowler if becomes availabile would be about 10-15 by himself a year. Hes getting 8 now and would be 9 if he stays. Since hes upped his value and if he did become a free agent hes getting a nice chunk especially since boras is his agent. Weiters probably going to be 10 million ish. And again they will both probably cost a pick which the sox dont seem to want to give up. Moreland could be some nice change. Also we thought the sox bullpen would be improved this year especially with jones coming back full time but ended up blowing 9 games sofar. Bullpens are fickle and you can not guarantee they will be better next year. Cant buy your logic. Fowler also reportedly turned down more $ from the Sox and took less with the Cubs last year. I don't think he's a realistic option at anything short of $15M+ AAV for 3-4 years.
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    2017 Lineup

    QUOTE (raBBit @ Sep 14, 2016 -> 12:41 PM) No hints other than the feel that Sale is gone. You're probably right about Valencia. Haven't followed that closely. I disagree that the Sox would be wasting money in this scenario. Buying players to potentially sell them is smart if you're not going to buy to go for it. I was probably light on what Reddick gets but I like him as a defensive player with a LH bat who doesn't cost us a pick. "Wasting money" on Johnson isn't really a thing. 3 mil is nothing in the MLB. I'd like to have some veteran pieces round out the roster so we could develop our depth in the minors. If the any minor league pushes for a spot, someone like Johnson could be moved or released if need be. For sure, the comment was moreso directed at Reddick than the veteran filler pieces. I think it is a legitimate possibility that Reddick gets a 4 or 5 year deal close to $18M AAV. There are literally so few quality FA OF's that Reddick may be the one of the most sought after ones (Bautista, Desmond, Rasmus, Beltran, Trumbo are the cream of the crop), and then it falls off a cliff. And the majority of the guys just listed have major warts. Reddick is going to have serious market and get vastly overpaid, IMO.
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