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Lol. I "crowed" about Grandal catching 120+ games this year because is he is one the best 2-3 catchers in the game. It sucks he's had knee issues this year. Shit happens. Doens't change the fact that this team is far far far far better with Yasmani catching and in the lineup as opposed to not. No amount of bullet points you make up to try to prove your dumbass point is going to change that.

Lol. Madrigal isn't even an option if even he wasn't traded.

Been a tough go for Cesar. Escobar hasn’t been great or anything, but better. Cesar probably should have had McGuire in the 8th too. Tough play and flat footed but had very little on that throw. Big play.

I mean, if he was really hurt, they'd put him on the DL. He's clearly dealing with something, but I don't really think we need to jump off the ledge. That said, its tough to win ballgames without TA, so hope he gets right soon.

I'd like to win this series.

LOL - still on that Grandal hate train despite the fact its become so so so so abundantly clear the last 7 weeks how important he is to this team?

Goodwin is so bad at CF

Not really a fan of Len. He's boring.

TLR probably just forgot he started his rehab last week.

Hand-wringing for sure, but I also would like to see Hernandez at the bottom of the order. Fine today with TA resting, but Cesar has been struggling last couple weeks.

They’ve certainly done a fantastic job ensuring they won’t be good long term by giving away boatloads of young talent.

Yeah its gross.

I am just going to assume Vaughn needs a day.

Kimbrel helps a lot in the postseason if he's pitching well. Agreed. I am not ready to just write-off Madrigal as some injury prone guy who will never stay healthy quite yet like some people here seem to be. I could just as easily do the same analysis on Eloy and Robert, but no one wants to do that. Madrigal's best days are ahead of him - I am fairly certain of that. Got to give to get. Is what it is. Still don't like the trade, and probably won't unless Kimbrel is a big time piece to a World Series. But I also tend to take a longer view on the Sox than most. I want to be good for this 5-7+ year window. Not push all chips in to win in 21/22. We're a better team in 21 than we were pre-deadline. Our future lost a big contributor though, and a bullpen piece that I think we're all going to moan about down the road.

Very low ceiling because he can't hit 25 homers in a lineup full of mashers? Madrigal was literally the perfect complementary piece on this roster. I don't really think a 3-4 WAR guy who plays good defense and competes for batting titles every year is a "low ceiling". He's not going to be a superstar probably, but who cares. He was a great fit for this roster that is already chockfull of stars. The only reason Cesar "is better this year" is because he's healthy, and Madrigal isn't. But we didn't trade Madrigal for Cesar, so not really sure why that's the analysis, which also discounts next year, and 4 years after that in which Madrigal would be the 2B (2 year of which for dirt cheap). Cesar and Nick could both still be here. Sox could have traded Cesar in the offseason, made him a utility guy, or just not picked up the option. It wasn't an either or. Cesar is fine. Sox will be be fine with him at 2B next year. The Sox aren't signing another 2B for 2022 - Cesar is the guy. Again, is what it is. If the Sox don't win a WS with Kimbrel, it was a very bad and shortsighted trade.

What @southsider2k5 said.

I hate losing Burdi. Won't rehash convos from other threads about this, but questionable choice to DFA him when there is still a little fat on the 40 man. Chances are he wasn't making it through the winter on the 40 man anyway, but still strange.

The Sox didn’t trade him when his value was up tho. It’s not like these are career threatening injuries. Obviously the trend is concerning, and I admitted as much in a previous post in this thread just today. The trade is what it is, and I hope Kimbrel leads the sox to a World Series or 2 the next two seasons. But to say the White Sox traded Madrigal while his value is “up” is an interesting take. He may very well get injured again next year, but unless it becomes career threatening, I don’t really see how one more injury devastates his value. He’ll come back and hit just like he always has.

I am not too concerned about gold gloves, especially in a 60 game season. Cesar is a fine defender, maybe slightly better than Nick right now. Certainly has not looked good in the field recently. I think Madrigal has a much better bat. IMO, Cesar isn't better than Madrigal, but he certainly is for 2021 since Madrigal can't play. I admit I am a big Madrigal and Heuer fan, but just felt like such an overpay for a guy on a market rate deal. Oh well. Is what it is.

Cesar is not better than Madrigal if he is on the field. Granted that has become a legitimate if. And Heuer is going to be a very good reliever. He is cheap and controlled long term. Very well may be a closer. The Sox gave up a ton.

Its not exactly pretty out there, but he's very effective. He has graded out as an above average LF already, which is amazing. Not sure he's there in RF yet, but he'll get there. He may well be the RF moving forward, but really would prefer to keep Eloy at DH most of the time and sign Conforto this offseason. Knowing the Sox, they'll go with a DH type tho.

I agree.

I think Burdi, of those 4, is probably the 2nd most likely to get claimed, behind Yermin. Though Yermin has burned his bridge to Chicago, so not really sure what difference it makes. Sox will trade him for nothing in December if he manages to not quit again before then.

Lol I wasn’t being serious. Just a weird move with guys like Rutherford, Adolfo and Yermin on the 40 man. Those dudes will never play a (or in Yermins case another) game for the Sox.

Why did we DFA Burdi again?