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Yeah, I'd rather just roll with Leury/Hamilton for the next month until Engel is back than spend clsoe to $40M on 2.75 seasons on washed up Jason Heyward. He's got ~$60M left on his deal as of today. I think the number where it starts to maybe make some sense is Cubs kick in $40M, Sox take on $20M. Taking $40M away from next offseasons budget on Jason Heyward just seems like a terrible use of limited resources. They dude won't even be playing most days once Engel gets back.

Bottom line for me, we probably would be fine if Engel were back. Vaughn-Engel-Eaton OF should be fine most days with Hamilton and Leury filling in. We just need TLR to pull his head out of his ass and actually put Vaughn in LF 90% of the time. Problem is, we won't have Engel for another month. We really need a guy who can cover CF for 4-6 weeks while Engel comes back. I am sure the answer will just be Leury/Hamilton, and I am not sure there is really anything available atm that is better. If I am Hahn, I am just claiming OFs as they become available and sticking them in AAA and maybe some start to hit and when Leury/Hamilton prove incapable rather quickly, we give them a shot. I guess Goodwin is where I would start. Trading Crochet or Kelley or (gasp) Kopech to go get a guy like Gallo or Bryant just doesn't seem wise. Bryant definitely can't play CF, so he really jsut takes ABs away from Vaughn. Gallo I guess could make due in CF for a few weeks - but man, this board is going to hate Gallo's game lol. I like Peralta as a depth move, but again, he's just taking ABs away from Vaughn and is moreso insurance for a future Eaton injury. Doesn't really solve short term problem. Heyward would make some sense, but with a $21M salary and $44M due thru 2023, he his hard pass for me unless Cubs are picking up like 65%+ of that deal. No easy answers, basically. I think you'll see Leury and Hamilton out there most days and maybe someone becomes available down the road. Just need TLR to actually put the best lineup out there daily. I also think we need to move TA into the middle of the lineup and Madrigal up. TA needs to produce runs now. This should be the lineups most days until Engel is back, and hten basically just insert Engel into the 9 hole and CF. Madrigal 2B, Moncada 3B, TA SS, Abreu 1B, Grandal C, Mercedes DH, Vaughn LF, Eaton RF, Leury/Hamilton CF

Huh? Engel is an elite defensive CF.

These injuries are an absolute dagger. But the season isn’t lost. Things just got a ton harder, but the Sox still have a really solid lineup 1-7 and well above average pitching. The division is bad and the Twins are 5 games under .500 and have go 28-22 in their next 50 just to get over .500. The Sox can absolutely still win this division. Likely won’t be easy tho and we’re going to need to see some guys step up and the pen realize their potential.

Joy - another day with no baseball to sit around thinking about what could have been this season.

Was hoping to wake up this morning and if was all just a bad dream. I’m so sad.

Anyone have a link to Hahn’s comments today?

Did Hahn actually speak with the media? Or just release a statement? If he spoke to media, did anyone find a link?

Update but not a full presser? Seems like maybe a good sign since they did a full presser for Eloy? Who knows - grasping for good news.

Both Eloy and Robert will be back well before the playoffs. The Sox aren't trading Lynn or Rodon unless they're like 8+ GB in July. But continue on.

Who exactly is the division favorite in your mind then? The 10-16 MN Twins who look terrible, or are you suddenly now crowding the Royals division favorites when they've played the easiest schedule in MLB so far?

The Sox haven't played well at all and they are 15-12. Yes. losing Robert for any extended period of time is a terrible kick to the nuts. But the season isn't over and the division remains very winnable even if neither of Eloy and Robert play another game this season. But go ahead and jump off that ledge and try to get everyone to join you, buddy.

You're a clown dude. The Sox at 15-12, 1.5 GB of the fucking Royals and our biggest competition in 10-16. Get a fucking grip on reality.

He literally tweeted a the "everything is fine gif" with the housing burning down. Nothing of substance.

Sure you can call last year year 1 if you want. Somewhat irrelevant to the discussion. The point is, this thing is still very much in the early stages.

Yeah, I and most everyone else here is going to disagree. We all want to win, but trading off major long term pieces for half a season stop gaps ain't it. We're all welcome to our opinions tho. Go Sox!

This thing was never going to work if the Sox weren't going to open up the checkbook a bit and get into that upper 25% of payrolls. I know you have your ownership bone to pick and I don't really care to get into a discussion about that. Guys like Grandal and Keuchel are needed on legit WS contenders. But if the Sox will never graduate to the big kid pool, the whole thing was never going to work anyway. I was as disappointed as anyone in the last offseason and their lack of willingness to spend $. But I am not convinced they won't eventually stretch into that top 25%. We're still in the early stages of this thing. But, despite having a pretty big gap between our opinions on most things Sox related, I do get where you're coming from. Its frustrating. But you can't have it both ways - b**** about not spending money, but when they sign two very well respected vets who filled major team needs, then complaining about the money they spent on them.

I edited my post. When you said they flushed $150M down the toilet, I figured you were referring to Grandal + Abreu. You were referring to Grandal + Keuchel. None of the names were mentioned, hence the confusion.

Yes - World Series or bust in 2021! Eloy hurt!? Who cares!? Robert hurt!? No biggie! Let's trade off a legitiamtely elite SP prospect for a guy who is paid market value for 4 months and will leave for nothing! Brilliant! Glad you aren't making decisions or the Sox would be cellar dwellers again by 2023.

Lost me at Roberts.

So 2020 MVP Jose Abreu is now pissed away $? Lol. edit: Guessing you're referring to Keuchel not Abreu. I know who the other guy you're referring to is.

We are in year 1 of the window. The window is an extended one IMO when looking at the roster and control - through at least 2026. I get the urge to want to be good right away, but trading Crochet for a 4 month stop gap would be beyond stupid.

Bryant is a FA getting paid market value or slightly under. Giving up Crochet for a few months of any player is idiotic, not to mention when the Sox are well under full strength and likely will be for the rest of the season. I want the Sox to be in a position to win multiple championships - not push their chips in year 1 as a knee jerk reaction to Eloy/Robert getting hurt. Id love to trade for Bryant, but zero percent chance I am giving up Crochet for him, or really any of our top guys. Which means we won’t get him, which is also fine. Go trade for David Peralta or someone similar and give up very little - this team is still plenty good to make the playoffs. Sacrificing the backend of our window to go all in on 2021 would be beyond shortsighted, and Hahn isn’t going to do that. Sorry.

Lol for 75% of a season on Bryant? Gross.

If Hahn has balls, he gets another outfielder in here ASAP. We need some reinforcements badly.