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In case you haven't noticed, money is a big fucking deal in building a winning roster. Want to be ignorant about it? That's your call. But its a huge factor.

There are 2 ways this trade turns into a W. 1) Win the world series. 2) Jerry has approved a major budget increase and this doesn't stop the Sox from signing a real RF like Conforto and legitimate SP in FA this offseason. I guess I can live with Hernandez at 2B, though I'd prfer someone like Semien and shift Hernandez into a Leury role. Otherwise....terrible use of limited payroll space, and of an awesome player and roster fit in Madrigal.

Right. Which is why there is a decent contingent that hates selling 5 years of Madrigal for a relief pitcher making a ton of money on a team that doesn't spend a lot. I am happy for what this trade means for 2021. I hate how much it costed, and it feels like a real overpay to me.

Yah, definitely would have eased some of the pain I am feeling.

I know that neither of them are great prospects per several ranking services.

Couldn't we have jsut tacked on some 40 man fodder and had him added to the Kimbrel trade? Fuck, Madrigal and Heuer should have been enough. Still reeling over here.

The roster move happened before the Kimbrel move occurred.

Sox aren't going to pay for a 2B in the offseason. They'll pick up Hernandez $6M option and go cheap in RF. Sox will be paying the bullpen between $45-50M. If this move means the Sox are now playing with the big boys in the $175M+ payrolls - we good. But I refuse to believe that until I see it.

Right? Like why is Heuer even in this deal? Sure seems to me like this is package that should have gotten use Kimbrel + Bryant. Not that it means a ton, but just a week or so ago Fangraphs said Madrigal had a top 50 trade value in that game, that would have been higher had he not gotten hurt. Instead, we traded him (plus a really nice MLB pen piece) both controlled cheap FOR YEARS, for a shutdown closer making shutdown closer money, on a team with a shutdown closer. Its just strange. Is this team better suited to win the World Series in 21 than it was an hour ago? Yeah. But we gave up a lot.

At least get Bryant in the deal if you're giving up a piece like that.

Hate it.

Man, I gotta let this one marinate. I LOVED Madrigal. Dude is perfect for this team. Hopefully Hahn and Jerry are looking are the FAs this offseason and willing to spend. Because Madrigal is a perfect complement to this team. Now we got $35M wrapped up in relief pitchers, and 2 offensive holes and a SP to fill via FA. $160M+ payroll is going to be necessary.

OMG.

Yeah, not a fan at first blush. Not a good use of limited dollars, or Crochet.

Color me not a fan if Crochet.

Wow. I am terrified to think what price is going to be.

In what world is Moncada better against LHP?

Sherman says asking price on Story has dropped, and he is now likely to move.

Per Sox twitter.

Who takes the 5th spot in the rotation then? If you say Kopech, then Cease going into the pen isn't really improving it. Though I guess this would make some sense to maximize Kopech's innings, limit Ceases, while also getting Cease ready for that role in the postseason.

Crochet is very likely gone in this scenario.

Sure, if it doesn’t cost anyone on the mlb roster it’s a risk I would be willing to take in hopes JR mans up and would still let us sign a SP and RF. But I’m not giving up Crochet in that deal, and until I see it, I won’t believe JR OKs $150M+ payrolls.

Now that is a deal I would do in a NY minute. Doubt Cubs would tho!

He's right dude. This team cannot afford to pay 2 relievers $30M. Kimbrel takes the Sox effectively out of free agency this offseason. No thanks.

I am sure that is the ask. It would be a horrible trade. I get people want to win a WS. I do too! But I value being good for 5-7 years more than taking 1 or 2 shots at it. Just my opinion. Has seemingly been Hahn's consistent theme as well. We'll see if he cracks.