BlackSox13 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Many thanks to flavum and chili for keeping us updated all season long on this 2017 tank run. Appreciate it dudes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Oct 1, 2017 -> 10:00 AM) Many thanks to flavum and chili for keeping us updated all season long on this 2017 tank run. Appreciate it dudes. You got it. Also...never again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 QUOTE (flavum @ Oct 1, 2017 -> 10:10 AM) You got it. Also...never again! Lol, right on man. Us Sox fans have much greener pastures on the horizon! The future is bright we got to where shades. ( cheesy, I know ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 There is plenty of reason for them to "tank" next year, but not to this extent. A top 10 pick gives them protection for the following offseason, and that offseason is going to be a hell of a lot more important for them in the long run than this offseason. They will not be investing in much of anything as far as free agents go this year, but I could absolutely see the purse strings open up quite a bit following 2018. They are looking at maybe $40 million in commitments beyond the 2018 season, and that's if they keep everyone they currently have. They could easily trade Shields ($2 million buyout), Jones ($4.65 mill option, $1.25 mill buyout), and maybe Abreu (~$13 million) and Avisail (~$7 mill), while Rodon may not get the number I figured for him ($6 mill). Their payroll was like $150 million just a few years ago (B-R shows $170 million, but I don't recall the kickbacks from other teams, and that number seems high). They'll have money to spend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Just for today... Ohio > Illinois Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soha Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 1, 2017 -> 10:45 AM) There is plenty of reason for them to "tank" next year, but not to this extent. A top 10 pick gives them protection for the following offseason, and that offseason is going to be a hell of a lot more important for them in the long run than this offseason. They will not be investing in much of anything as far as free agents go this year, but I could absolutely see the purse strings open up quite a bit following 2018. They are looking at maybe $40 million in commitments beyond the 2018 season, and that's if they keep everyone they currently have. They could easily trade Shields ($2 million buyout), Jones ($4.65 mill option, $1.25 mill buyout), and maybe Abreu (~$13 million) and Avisail (~$7 mill), while Rodon may not get the number I figured for him ($6 mill). Their payroll was like $150 million just a few years ago (B-R shows $170 million, but I don't recall the kickbacks from other teams, and that number seems high). They'll have money to spend. I thought they did away with giving up your 1st round pick for signing free agents? Did I hear this wrong? And if I'm the Sox, the teardown mode should be over. Whether they wait a year to start building it back up from outside sources (like free agency) is another question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 1, 2017 -> 08:45 AM) There is plenty of reason for them to "tank" next year, but not to this extent. A top 10 pick gives them protection for the following offseason, and that offseason is going to be a hell of a lot more important for them in the long run than this offseason. They will not be investing in much of anything as far as free agents go this year, but I could absolutely see the purse strings open up quite a bit following 2018. They are looking at maybe $40 million in commitments beyond the 2018 season, and that's if they keep everyone they currently have. They could easily trade Shields ($2 million buyout), Jones ($4.65 mill option, $1.25 mill buyout), and maybe Abreu (~$13 million) and Avisail (~$7 mill), while Rodon may not get the number I figured for him ($6 mill). Their payroll was like $150 million just a few years ago (B-R shows $170 million, but I don't recall the kickbacks from other teams, and that number seems high). They'll have money to spend. I fully expect us to be surprisingly competitive next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 1, 2017 -> 10:45 AM) There is plenty of reason for them to "tank" next year, but not to this extent. A top 10 pick gives them protection for the following offseason, and that offseason is going to be a hell of a lot more important for them in the long run than this offseason. They will not be investing in much of anything as far as free agents go this year, but I could absolutely see the purse strings open up quite a bit following 2018. They are looking at maybe $40 million in commitments beyond the 2018 season, and that's if they keep everyone they currently have. They could easily trade Shields ($2 million buyout), Jones ($4.65 mill option, $1.25 mill buyout), and maybe Abreu (~$13 million) and Avisail (~$7 mill), while Rodon may not get the number I figured for him ($6 mill). Their payroll was like $150 million just a few years ago (B-R shows $170 million, but I don't recall the kickbacks from other teams, and that number seems high). They'll have money to spend. The Sox have been 26-27 in their last 53 games. Add in Kopech and eloy, and thus team competes for the 2nd wild card next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 QUOTE (Soha @ Oct 1, 2017 -> 10:56 AM) I thought they did away with giving up your 1st round pick for signing free agents? Did I hear this wrong? And if I'm the Sox, the teardown mode should be over. Whether they wait a year to start building it back up from outside sources (like free agency) is another question. You're right it did, they will now give up a 3rd round pick if they are under the tax threshold, which the Sox will be. My apologies. https://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2016/11/30/138...ails-luxury-tax Let 'er rip then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 QUOTE (ron883 @ Oct 1, 2017 -> 11:04 AM) The Sox have been 26-27 in their last 53 games. Add in Kopech and eloy, and thus team competes for the 2nd wild card next year. That's assuming those two hit the ground running. They wouldn't be the first rookies to struggle out of the gate. I think they'll be much better next year, but I still think they end up around 78-81 wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 (edited) It's early to predict, but is it conceivable the Sox could be better than the Tigers and Royals? Absolutley. The Twins? Maybe. The Rays, Orioles, Rangers, A's, Angels? Hmmm... Middle of the pack if all goes right. It's a team that has the potential to surprise, but the rebuild continues. Edited October 1, 2017 by flavum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 (edited) Twins/Tigers may have to wait out the rain for a while. If the Giants lose and Phillies win, it won’t matter if they play. edit: first pitch 2:50 Edited October 1, 2017 by flavum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydBannister1983 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 QUOTE (flavum @ Oct 1, 2017 -> 09:21 AM) Hahn is on the Score at 11. He'll say the draft is deep and he's happy about the winning, but there's no way they don't wish they lost a few more, or aren't pissed the Tigers tanked that bad over the last couple months. Forgive me for being confused but isn't that what nearly everyone on these boards wanted the Sox to do this year? I remember half the board even wanting the Cubs to sweep them. How is what the Tigers did any different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (FloydBannister1983 @ Oct 1, 2017 -> 02:46 PM) Forgive me for being confused but isn't that what nearly everyone on these boards wanted the Sox to do this year? I remember half the board even wanting the Cubs to sweep them. How is what the Tigers did any different? The Tigers were 51-57, and then went 13-40. It’s not like they went 22-32 three times in a row. It’s been an historic freefall for Detroit. Edited October 1, 2017 by flavum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hi8is Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Oct 1, 2017 -> 08:00 AM) Many thanks to flavum and chili for keeping us updated all season long on this 2017 tank run. Appreciate it dudes. I second this expression of the wub :wub: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 QUOTE (hi8is @ Oct 1, 2017 -> 04:22 PM) Holy hell, WTF is that thing? Does it bite? Is it venomous? At least tell me it's incapable of procreation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Tigers are going to lose. Giants tied in the 9th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Hell yeah gimme that 4th pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 4th baby! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Reds win. That means we get the 4th pick, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Oct 1, 2017 -> 03:53 PM) Reds win. That means we get the 4th pick, right? Yup. The only possible outcome that led to us getting that pick. Good way to end things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackSox13 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Thank you to the Ohio teams today. I'll take #4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palehosefan Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Competitive end to the season and still get the 4th pick, seems like the best of both worlds. Great draft to have a top 5 pick, loads of talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Sandoval walkoff homer. Tigers pick 1st if they lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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