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57 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

They are calling the group the Bulls are in the Delete Eight.

That's good. Someone should make t-shirts.

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39 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Well S***.

 

That's 5% of the league

Does this include the ones who tested positive initially or is this in addition to it?

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5 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Does this include the ones who tested positive initially or is this in addition to it?

This is a leak of medical info so not certain, but this sounds like it was one of the rounds of "Test everyone all at once" done before the league started its 14 day pre-season quarantine done on June 23. I think this is just right now.

Edit: nvm, not a leak, here's your official version.

 

 

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7 hours ago, Balta1701 said:

Well S***.

 

That's 5% of the league

Does this mean active infection or is this an antibody test?  

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3 hours ago, Chisoxfn said:

Does this mean active infection or is this an antibody test?  

Those are active infections right now, thank Florida.

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48 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Those are active infections right now, thank Florida.

Would be curious - is the NBA also doing full antibody testing (I would think at a minimum teams would want to get a good perspective of who may have immunity - albeit who knows how long it lasts). Also would be curious, if you got it initially and it was asymptomatic, does that mean the next team you get it, it would also be or not. 

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18 hours ago, Chisoxfn said:

Would be curious - is the NBA also doing full antibody testing (I would think at a minimum teams would want to get a good perspective of who may have immunity - albeit who knows how long it lasts). Also would be curious, if you got it initially and it was asymptomatic, does that mean the next team you get it, it would also be or not. 

Do you mean “next time” or team? That last sentence is a bit odd.

If you mean “next time”, we don’t know but we hope so. We’ve seen that there are some examples of people actually getting it a few months apart in this country since it’s spreading rapidly enough that people can actually be exposed a couple times, but no real way yet to do any sort of statistical analysis of those cases. One was reported from Dallas this week. It probably will be less intense if you get a second infection because the body knows how to fight it, but some of the severe cases are because the immune system overreacts, hard to know how common those would be on a second exposure (think about severe allergic responses for that, if you’re allergic to bee stings, the second time you get stung often triggers a more intense immune response than the first).

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3 hours ago, Balta1701 said:

Do you mean “next time” or team? That last sentence is a bit odd.

If you mean “next time”, we don’t know but we hope so. We’ve seen that there are some examples of people actually getting it a few months apart in this country since it’s spreading rapidly enough that people can actually be exposed a couple times, but no real way yet to do any sort of statistical analysis of those cases. One was reported from Dallas this week. It probably will be less intense if you get a second infection because the body knows how to fight it, but some of the severe cases are because the immune system overreacts, hard to know how common those would be on a second exposure (think about severe allergic responses for that, if you’re allergic to bee stings, the second time you get stung often triggers a more intense immune response than the first).

Yeah - I meant next time they got infected. 

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If the NBA does a 2nd bubble for those teams that didn't make the initial cut (i.e., the Bulls), I wonder if they can find a creative way to make it interesting (implications on lottery balls or something).  Maybe ridiculous, but I think with everything going on with COVID, every league should find ways to push the envelope on creativity.  

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On 6/26/2020 at 8:44 PM, Balta1701 said:

Those are active infections right now, thank Florida.

I think thus far they are saying through testing 10%+ of NBA players have either tested positive and/or shown antibodies for Covid.  I presume with all the travel NBA players did before lockdowns and the fact that they probably just see more people, they would in general be expected to have higher infection / antibody rates than a regular individual.  

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48 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:

If the NBA does a 2nd bubble for those teams that didn't make the initial cut (i.e., the Bulls), I wonder if they can find a creative way to make it interesting (implications on lottery balls or something).  Maybe ridiculous, but I think with everything going on with COVID, every league should find ways to push the envelope on creativity.  

The second bubble is the absolute worst idea.  Why even take away focus from the playoffs anyway?

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3 minutes ago, bmags said:

The second bubble is the absolute worst idea.  Why even take away focus from the playoffs anyway?

Backup site for when the Orlando bubble bursts.

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8 minutes ago, Quin said:

Backup site for when the Orlando bubble bursts.

They can do that without threatening to show me boylenball

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19 minutes ago, bmags said:

The second bubble is the absolute worst idea.  Why even take away focus from the playoffs anyway?

I thought the 2nd bubble was thought to happen after the first season was mostly complete? 

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58 minutes ago, bmags said:

The second bubble is the absolute worst idea.  Why even take away focus from the playoffs anyway?

I get why the teams not invited are worried though.  It does stunt their players developmental growth, etc.  You could say - well be a better team, but it wasn't like teams realized this would happen going into the season.  I'm a Bulls fan so would want to watch for no reason other than to see the young players get more practice time. I also don't want for one the players to get hurt in a meaningless game either (so it is hard to say which I prefer - but at the very least enabling practice with some solid scrimmages seems like a good and fair construct.   

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22 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:

I get why the teams not invited are worried though.  It does stunt their players developmental growth, etc.  You could say - well be a better team, but it wasn't like teams realized this would happen going into the season.  I'm a Bulls fan so would want to watch for no reason other than to see the young players get more practice time. I also don't want for one the players to get hurt in a meaningless game either (so it is hard to say which I prefer - but at the very least enabling practice with some solid scrimmages seems like a good and fair construct.   

I think they just wanted to hit their regional games contracts.

I am not that into the development angle. They played almost 80% of their season, and the hardpart comes later. I think if they can get some organized scrimmages that makes sense, but to throw these zombie teams together, I don't know.

Now if it was playing to be in the nba next year I'm in. Last two spots become Dleague.

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27 minutes ago, bmags said:

I think they just wanted to hit their regional games contracts.

I am not that into the development angle. They played almost 80% of their season, and the hardpart comes later. I think if they can get some organized scrimmages that makes sense, but to throw these zombie teams together, I don't know.

Now if it was playing to be in the nba next year I'm in. Last two spots become Dleague.

LOL - I had debated throwing out the relegation angle - but I dont' think you can do that after the fact. I do think you could do something around the lottery odds, which I know has been thrown around in the past anyway (to minimize the pure reward for tanking).  But draft reform already shifted odds to lessen teams from tanking.  

I think in a normal cadence you are right, they played enough of the season. I think the issue is with the league year not starting until Christmas and the play stopping in March, you are extending the amount of time players sit out, etc.    

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On 7/7/2020 at 3:02 PM, Chisoxfn said:

I get why the teams not invited are worried though.  It does stunt their players developmental growth, etc.  You could say - well be a better team, but it wasn't like teams realized this would happen going into the season.  I'm a Bulls fan so would want to watch for no reason other than to see the young players get more practice time. I also don't want for one the players to get hurt in a meaningless game either (so it is hard to say which I prefer - but at the very least enabling practice with some solid scrimmages seems like a good and fair construct.   

There's too much injury risk in play here. It sucks that the NBA couldn't finish the season due to the pandemic and the Bulls are unlikely to play in a game until the end of this year (at best), but it is what it is at this point. Figure out who to draft and who to coach this team.

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Doctors are really worried about long term effects the virus will have on players’ lungs and heart. Apparently even asymptomatic victims have wound up with some organ damage.

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On 6/26/2020 at 11:33 PM, Chisoxfn said:

Would be curious - is the NBA also doing full antibody testing (I would think at a minimum teams would want to get a good perspective of who may have immunity - albeit who knows how long it lasts). Also would be curious, if you got it initially and it was asymptomatic, does that mean the next team you get it, it would also be or not. 

https://www.vox.com/2020/7/12/21321653/getting-covid-19-twice-reinfection-antibody-herd-immunity

 

dragging this up for relevance as we are now starting anecdotally to see reports of second infections a few months after a first infection with far more severe symptoms the second time around. Limited sample size but this is an MD reporting on their patients so it’s a credible example.

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